Because the government is mandating them. The rules arent changing just how the log is kept is. You cant falsify an e-log. I ask again, if you can do the run on a paper log then you can do the run with an e-log right?
XPO | Heard new rumors XPO is looking into ways to change the way we run linehaul
- Thread starter rangeman
- Start date
Well there you go. "You can't falsify an e-log."
So far , it's been a win win for the drivers that want to make more money and the companies that don't want to hire more drivers ( and of course , make more money ) It's not so much falsifying as it is massaging logs everyday - it's hard to do that with elogs.
Less room for wrecks , holding drivers at the FAC ( in our system ) , bad weather , breakdowns , you name it. So , yeah , you can still do the same runs but the bookkeeping is more strict.
Also , with paper logs it's very labor intensive for regulatory agencies to audit logs ( and trucking companies know this ) and they can blame lots of issues on drivers ( hand writing you can't read ) - how easy will it be to audit and fine a company with e-logs? Link up , run a program , issue fines if necessary.
Northern Flash
Today's Democrats are similar to Commies.
- Credits
- 409
Heck. I can't even sleep good at my own house during the day. Slamming doors in the hotels wouldn't allow me to get any sleep.
I laid out at a nice place, and I always asked for a pool side suite. I was always turned down with a smile. Then one day I went in and ask for the same and I got one with a nice smile and a remark that I will never ask for one again. I was really happy, swam a while and laid in the sun and admired the beauty of the people around me. Then I went in and tried to sleep, I could not sleep because the local YMCA had a swim class right outside my door. The darn screaming and yelling of excitement was more than I could take. I went out to my truck and slept there in a day cab for about two hours and then got a double shot of JD and fell asleep and the of course the early wake up call from Dispatch. I never asked for a pool side again. Lay outs are not that bad, just taking some getting used too.
He came from Sysco most recently and worked for a couple other LTL companies, everyone I've talked to about him said he was a pretty good leader.
snaildriver
Retired
- Credits
- 0
I've had to lay down a few times because of weather. Hotels are noisy during the day, because most people are awake, housekeepers are doing their jobs, and some people are partying. Even asking for a room in a quiet corner didn't help. Beside that, the company wouldn't put me in the kind of hotel I stay in on my own dime.
Fly-by-night
Only when you care to send the very best
- Credits
- 733
So true depending on where you live it's even hard to sleep in your own house during the day.
The hotels the company puts you up in are some of the cheapest ones in town and most of the time right near the interstate.
Yes you MIGHT make more money but you also need to figure the cost of you eating on the road. I would figure a min. $20 per meal and if you a health nut figure more. Yes you can eat subway and fast food, but that gets old quick and is not that good for you. With the lack of physical active you can watch the pounds pile on.
Some driver have families at home and while have to put food on that table every day the more money you MIGHT make has to feed you on the road.
The different between E-logs and paper are the so called 15mins. The runs that push the drive time limit will have to change e-logs mark time by the second, YES THE SECOND, I see the time stamps on the e-log system. Your paper log goes by the 15mins. Let say you leave the FAC at 4:02am on you paper log book you mark 0415 as drive time. On the E-log it is marked as 0402 from the time the truck starts moving. It might take a little time for the e-log to put you in drive but it will revert back to when the truck started moving which is 0402. You just lost 13mins of drive time. Now when you get to you barn you mark on your paper log you stop driving at 0900 but you didn't get into the yard till 0910 when you stopped the truck. You e-log will say 0910. When you left the FAC you had 4.75hrs of drive time left and on duty was not a factor. What you put on you paper log will show no violation, but on you e-log you would have be out of drive time 0847am you would be stopped waiting for someone to come get you and if you would keep driving then you drove 23mins past you drive time.
I have run runs with my last company and runs that we did on paper were now layovers on the e-log because of these little 15mins.
Fly-by-night
Only when you care to send the very best
- Credits
- 733
not necessary true. Your log on paper by 15mins and E-log are by the second leave at 0305 and you put 0315 on paper you arrive at 0905 and on paper you put 0900 you showed 5.75hrs of driving on e-log showed 6hrs that 15mins can make or break you and through the night that 15mins can add up to 45mins a night.
Gotcha
Fly-by-night
Only when you care to send the very best
- Credits
- 733
as far as I know Fed-Ex doesn't do laydown runs system wide in some areas they might have a few
Songremainsthesame
TB Legend
- Credits
- 334
If you left at 0905 and you marked down 0915 you would be in violation anyway... You can't round up until 7 min after...
Fly-by-night
Only when you care to send the very best
- Credits
- 733
I think only on your first day out you would have a bid time then it goes first in first out. No bid runs you get whats ready
Fly-by-night
Only when you care to send the very best
- Credits
- 733
so how long does it take to get out of the yard. I saying the e-log goes on movement of the truck. The truck start moving at 0905 but it might take 5 mins to get out on the road so you mark 0915 on paper. Can't draw lines and drive at the same time. The e-log will revert back to when the truck started moving even though your still in the yard. I know this because I had a buddy get a log violation for moving his truck from the shop to a parking space in a truck stop the e-log put him is drive.
Also how many drivers followed that 7 min rule most driver log the way it benefits them.
Fly-by-night
Only when you care to send the very best
- Credits
- 733
it wont work the FAC near me laid off or should I say got ride of a lot of dock workers. mine got rid of 3 and a lot of night we sure could use 1 or 2 of them.
Not true for many hotels, the dumps it is true but I get better sleep on the road than at home. Holland driver.
Fly-by-night
Only when you care to send the very best
- Credits
- 733
After reading all these post you all forgot about one thing Tractor assignments. I see the cry me a river when a drivers tractor is not their, broke down or a city driver get tied up on the street. I have see drive come in our yard from another barn saying and I quote "I here to get MY tractor".
Now having been a driver for some 25yrs having an assigned truck is one of big thing to a driver. They keep it clean and they are better maintained, but we need to face the facts. XPO is all about the numbers we see that more and more everyday.
Now to my point.
Monday you leave in a the 2015 freightliner you have been driving all year. After a long night you get to you laydown terminal and they call a cab to take you the hotel. That terminal will now use your truck for the city operation. The FOS call you back in after 10-12hrs and has loads for you to take only one problem the truck you came in with is not back from the city run. The FOS give you a gleaming pile of
sterling to run you next 400 mile run in. There is no waiting for the truck to get back you have a gate time to make. Remember it about the numbers. You left stuff in the truck well to bad, you might get it back. The FOS got to make his numbers and you got a gate time to make.
When you get that 2015 freightliner you took time and energy to clean and maintain back, it's now trashed, grease everywhere, and stuff broken. I know truck are sometimes sent to a different barn but from what I have seen they do there best to keep the truck and or get them back to there original assign barns.
XPO is all about the numbers if we go to a layover line haul op. get ready to slip seat a lot. You wont be taking you truck to the hotel like OD, ABF, and Estes do. XPO runs a tight ship we are all seeing them cut equipment and running as little equipment as needed. We all know that have been doing this for years will bit XPO in the ass one day and I'll be the first one to say I told you so.
Now having been a driver for some 25yrs having an assigned truck is one of big thing to a driver. They keep it clean and they are better maintained, but we need to face the facts. XPO is all about the numbers we see that more and more everyday.
Now to my point.
Monday you leave in a the 2015 freightliner you have been driving all year. After a long night you get to you laydown terminal and they call a cab to take you the hotel. That terminal will now use your truck for the city operation. The FOS call you back in after 10-12hrs and has loads for you to take only one problem the truck you came in with is not back from the city run. The FOS give you a gleaming pile of
sterling to run you next 400 mile run in. There is no waiting for the truck to get back you have a gate time to make. Remember it about the numbers. You left stuff in the truck well to bad, you might get it back. The FOS got to make his numbers and you got a gate time to make.When you get that 2015 freightliner you took time and energy to clean and maintain back, it's now trashed, grease everywhere, and stuff broken. I know truck are sometimes sent to a different barn but from what I have seen they do there best to keep the truck and or get them back to there original assign barns.
XPO is all about the numbers if we go to a layover line haul op. get ready to slip seat a lot. You wont be taking you truck to the hotel like OD, ABF, and Estes do. XPO runs a tight ship we are all seeing them cut equipment and running as little equipment as needed. We all know that have been doing this for years will bit XPO in the ass one day and I'll be the first one to say I told you so.
claim jumper
TB Lurker
- Credits
- 0
I'm system at saia and spend most of the week in hotels. Based out of Memphis and have been as far out as Denver, albuquerque. Laredo, Miami and wausau, wi. I make as much as I did at conway and I'm not even topped out yet cause it's all miles. Alot less stress on the body also. Hotels are ok, I always ask for a room on the top floor and on the north or east side of the building cause the sun doesn't shine thru the window creating heat during the day.
claim jumper
TB Lurker
- Credits
- 0
.... and it's quieter on top floor.
highspeeds
ENTERTAINMENT USE ONLY
- Credits
- 3
After reading all these post you all forgot about one thing Tractor assignments. I see the cry me a river when a drivers tractor is not their, broke down or a city driver get tied up on the street. I have see drive come in our yard from another barn saying and I quote "I here to get MY tractor".
Now having been a driver for some 25yrs having an assigned truck is one of big thing to a driver. They keep it clean and they are better maintained, but we need to face the facts. XPO is all about the numbers we see that more and more everyday.
Now to my point.
Monday you leave in a the 2015 freightliner you have been driving all year. After a long night you get to you laydown terminal and they call a cab to take you the hotel. That terminal will now use your truck for the city operation. The FOS call you back in after 10-12hrs and has loads for you to take only one problem the truck you came in with is not back from the city run. The FOS give you a gleaming pile of
When you get that 2015 freightliner you took time and energy to clean and maintain back, it's now trashed, grease everywhere, and stuff broken. I know truck are sometimes sent to a different barn but from what I have seen they do there best to keep the truck and or get them back to there original assign barns.
XPO is all about the numbers if we go to a layover line haul op. get ready to slip seat a lot. You wont be taking you truck to the hotel like OD, ABF, and Estes do. XPO runs a tight ship we are all seeing them cut equipment and running as little equipment as needed. We all know that have been doing this for years will bit XPO in the ass one day and I'll be the first one to say I told you so.
There are a lot of people that just don't get it. Con-way is dead. The Con-job way of doing things is dead. It's only a matter of time. Things are going to be different. They have to be. Some people would rather believe a lie than face a truth.
This guy is not going to allow the amount of waste and loss that has been acceptable in the past. When he talks about growing the business, he doesn't mean more volume, he means more profit. If it costs more it's no good. EBITDA. Slash and cash. Cut and gut. Make more money by not spending more money.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees this.