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I'm going with....a big fat Noooo!!!


I personally think the wool has been pulled over "your eyes" (generally speaking of course) by those at certain centers who think/wish they had the support they claim to have, otherwise they would've already petition!! Let's face the facts, 60% of the centers that voted "thought" they had the numbers and 100% of the centers that filed then pulled their petitions due to lack of support finally "realized" they didn't have the numbers.


Honestly, what good does/would it do to wait when leverage is the one thing you/they need??


I'll speculate and say with all of the begging for those centers with the alleged numbers to file that's been done here and other places and the fact that no new petitions have been filed in a year and a half, clearly says that they don't have the numbers to file or else they would've struck while the iron was hot!!


Just my two cents!!


There has been no wool puled over my eyes. I know with certainty (verified from multiple sources) the support existed/exists in certain centers. We also know that the Company has been successful in making significant changes. Positive changes in environment, policy, and the GPD bump at 56 locations. 56 locations that, in fact, have been silent since then. That is the reality, and should be of no surprise


Support still exists for these guys, but some/many no longer have incentive to act, or at least it appears that way. I'm not about to turn my back on these guys. They've worked hard and have much to be proud of, benefiting many/most/all beyond their specific locations. Any shortcoming is due to developments beyond their control, both from the Company side and from the Teamsters tactics, making petitions more difficult to file. That was the reason for the rant on overcoming challenges...


If there is support, waiting to see, sitting on the fence, or whatever... The window of opportunity is open, for a time. Then the reality is, that window closes, for quite some time. That is the reality.
 
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In case anyone missed the latest from Bobby... It is always good to hear what the man has to say.

Really?? More hot air concerning much to do about nothing!! The case he cites has already been debunked....is he now going to make a video about every issue he disagrees with??

The "man in the video" is complaining about a policy that's been on the books for as long as I can remember....atleast he didn't claim it was a new policy.
 
I can't believe we missed this one... Listen to what Mike has to say.

We didn't miss it, we've been laughing at it for about a week now!! :hilarious:

I was going to write a rebuttal over last holiday weekend but I wasn't sure where to post it....his title was "Driver Facing Cameras" but his rant was all over the map, from begging other centers to join the movement, to the cameras, etc...

Perhaps if I get bored I'll rebuttal, until then I suggest everyone watch this video....especially if you need a good laugh!!
 
We didn't miss it, we've been laughing at it for about a week now!! :hilarious:

I was going to write a rebuttal over last holiday weekend but I wasn't sure where to post it....his title was "Driver Facing Cameras" but his rant was all over the map, from begging other centers to join the movement, to the cameras, etc...

Perhaps if I get bored I'll rebuttal, until then I suggest everyone watch this video....especially if you need a good laugh!!


Lol what happen your scm busy he can't write that stupid rebuttal for you? Just repeat your same crap it's all it will be anyways. See look it saved you alot of time.
 
Ok swampy I've not been ignoring you, I've ran about 500 rebuttals through my head but here's where I'm at. All along you've been a reasonable person to deal with unlike those you associate with although I think you and I are more similar than many on "your side" on this forum.

We have reached an impasse, you see it your way I see it mine. You have a dog in the fight I do not and I have no desire nor reason to change your mind. You like facts so here they are as I see it. There are 372 centers (that may not be fact but that's the number I keep seeing it could be off but doesn't really change things) there are 4 centers that voted for representation 4 out of 372 is slightly over 1%. Those centers should and do have every right to seek a fair contract and more power to them. I have twice read your article about non union employees having the right to support the movement yet I've seen NO evidence suggesting that they have. The 4 centers are going to try to get a contract on their own. No one else has any say or influence in it. You don't get credit for support at the centers that have yet to vote, they mean nothing as much as you want to count them. The company is going to do their level best to make this contract thing go as bad as possible, they can't give into a great contract knowing full well that would be counterproductive to their goal. As it stands right now the company has the upper hand, the other 368 centers could have 99% support but only 4 matter until the put there butt's in the line to me they're letting the other 4 dangle in the wind.

I respect you and your opinion yet I think there is nothing new to say. I still look forward to talking to you.
 
There has been no wool puled over my eyes. I know with certainty (verified from multiple sources) the support existed/exists in certain centers. We also know that the Company has been successful in making significant changes. Positive changes in environment, policy, and the GPD bump at 56 locations. 56 locations that, in fact, have been silent since then. That is the reality, and should be of no surprise


Support still exists for these guys, but some/many no longer have incentive to act, or at least it appears that way. I'm not about to turn my back on these guys. They've worked hard and have much to be proud of, benefiting many/most/all beyond their specific locations. Any shortcoming is due to developments beyond their control, both from the Company side and from the Teamsters tactics, making petitions more difficult to file. That was the reason for the rant on overcoming challenges...


If there is support, waiting to see, sitting on the fence, or whatever... The window of opportunity is open, for a time. Then the reality is, that window closes, for quite some time. That is the reality.
How can you be certain? I'm sure multiple sources verified that LOU would win their election, CGT would win their's, etc..., the point is nothing is certain until a ballot is cast and counted....and we've proven that's not even certain anymore!!
Correct, the company has made many positive changes proving again, the threat of the union....

If support still exist with no incentive to act, is it really support?? "Turn your back on these guys" and "they've worked hard and have much to be proud of"...sure doesn't sound like "I've said before, I'm more committed to getting results, than any particular allegiance, for allegiance sake"...sounds contradicting to me!! And I thought your rant was because they've turned their backs on you guys...silly me!!

The reality is that the iron is now cold...ice cold...have you ever tried to use a cold iron?? It doesn't work!!
 
Lol yet you continue to be on the loosing side/fail gang. The only thing funny is your continued failures.:lmao::biglaugh::burnsauce:

I'm always amazed that you enjoy pointing out Reds supposed failure yet your own effort failed miserably and you've had plenty of time to refile and have done nothing. That leaves us only to believe your local movement is a failure. So I guess your also a member of the fail gang.
 
There has been no wool puled over my eyes. I know with certainty (verified from multiple sources) the support existed/exists in certain centers. We also know that the Company has been successful in making significant changes. Positive changes in environment, policy, and the GPD bump at 56 locations. 56 locations that, in fact, have been silent since then. That is the reality, and should be of no surprise


Support still exists for these guys, but some/many no longer have incentive to act, or at least it appears that way. I'm not about to turn my back on these guys. They've worked hard and have much to be proud of, benefiting many/most/all beyond their specific locations. Any shortcoming is due to developments beyond their control, both from the Company side and from the Teamsters tactics, making petitions more difficult to file. That was the reason for the rant on overcoming challenges...


If there is support, waiting to see, sitting on the fence, or whatever... The window of opportunity is open, for a time. Then the reality is, that window closes, for quite some time. That is the reality.

In regards to the gpd it's funny they said they adjust it all the time but there hasn't been an adjustment since the 56 centers got their anti-union raise.
 
In regards to the gpd it's funny they said they adjust it all the time but there hasn't been an adjustment since the 56 centers got their anti-union raise.
Has it even been a year yet? The believe it or not do adjust it even without a union threat. Besides a lot of those centers never had any union support to begin with.
 
Ok swampy I've not been ignoring you, I've ran about 500 rebuttals through my head but here's where I'm at. All along you've been a reasonable person to deal with unlike those you associate with although I think you and I are more similar than many on "your side" on this forum.

We have reached an impasse, you see it your way I see it mine. You have a dog in the fight I do not and I have no desire nor reason to change your mind. You like facts so here they are as I see it. There are 372 centers (that may not be fact but that's the number I keep seeing it could be off but doesn't really change things) there are 4 centers that voted for representation 4 out of 372 is slightly over 1%. Those centers should and do have every right to seek a fair contract and more power to them. I have twice read your article about non union employees having the right to support the movement yet I've seen NO evidence suggesting that they have. The 4 centers are going to try to get a contract on their own. No one else has any say or influence in it. You don't get credit for support at the centers that have yet to vote, they mean nothing as much as you want to count them. The company is going to do their level best to make this contract thing go as bad as possible, they can't give into a great contract knowing full well that would be counterproductive to their goal. As it stands right now the company has the upper hand, the other 368 centers could have 99% support but only 4 matter until the put there butt's in the line to me they're letting the other 4 dangle in the wind.

I respect you and your opinion yet I think there is nothing new to say. I still look forward to talking to you.
So you're saying if they get a good contract all the other terminals will want to jump on the bandwagon no matter how they think of the Teamsters. That doesn't sound like Red, it seems to me he doesn't want anything better than what he has now.
 
Ok swampy I've not been ignoring you, I've ran about 500 rebuttals through my head but here's where I'm at. All along you've been a reasonable person to deal with unlike those you associate with although I think you and I are more similar than many on "your side" on this forum.

We have reached an impasse, you see it your way I see it mine. You have a dog in the fight I do not and I have no desire nor reason to change your mind. You like facts so here they are as I see it. There are 372 centers (that may not be fact but that's the number I keep seeing it could be off but doesn't really change things) there are 4 centers that voted for representation 4 out of 372 is slightly over 1%. Those centers should and do have every right to seek a fair contract and more power to them. I have twice read your article about non union employees having the right to support the movement yet I've seen NO evidence suggesting that they have. The 4 centers are going to try to get a contract on their own. No one else has any say or influence in it. You don't get credit for support at the centers that have yet to vote, they mean nothing as much as you want to count them. The company is going to do their level best to make this contract thing go as bad as possible, they can't give into a great contract knowing full well that would be counterproductive to their goal. As it stands right now the company has the upper hand, the other 368 centers could have 99% support but only 4 matter until the put there butt's in the line to me they're letting the other 4 dangle in the wind.

I respect you and your opinion yet I think there is nothing new to say. I still look forward to talking to you.


The only significant disagreement is the degree to which the outside support could be used. I agree there is little public evidence that the organization plans to use it. I said previously, I can't predict what they will or won't do.

Tough to disagree with much. Some, most certainly, but rather than go back and forth we can/should agree to disagree. Not worth either of our time.
 
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