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Cab Lizzard said:
A smart driver would get his own personal copy .
We all know how things like permit books fly away.
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It's mandatory to have the cab card with the electronic logs. Since there are different on board systems the officers need them to get the info. Definitely good advice to keep your own copy.
 
There is a letter that is supposed to be posted in each road domicile now explaining this. pretty clear. LTLanonymous post is pretty clear too. it is just a matter of keeping a separate recap on your own for your ABF hrs/rules purposes. we will never have an issue as far as 34 hr.. unless you want their to be, which is doubtful...
 
Just cover your arse and run a paper log as well.This should be brought up to your B.A...regardless carry a paperlog til they fix the elog
 
Buddy of mine had 7.5 hrs on his paper log. Abf said he had 9 by the computer log. If we are supposedly still running off logbooks if he was stopped at the 8 hr mark then what should he have done. Showed him his paper log and been shut down, or let them access the eld log??? This did not happen but what it it did???
 
Abfrocks said:
Buddy of mine had 7.5 hrs on his paper log. Abf said he had 9 by the computer log. If we are supposedly still running off logbooks if he was stopped at the 8 hr mark then what should he have done. Showed him his paper log and been shut down, or let them access the eld log??? This did not happen but what it it did???
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Paper logs are what we are using for pay and the dot for now. Eld's are still in training mode until sometime next month.
 
SAC75 said:
Paper logs are what we are using for pay and the dot for now. Eld's are still in training mode until sometime next month.
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I would still keep doing the paper log after the ELD has kicked in. I would want to make sure the ELD was logging exactly like my paper log. Know for sure just how the ELD was set up before stopping the paper log. The ELD could show you had 3 hours @ the end of the week, or just the reverse. And does the ELD work off of 7 or 15 minute on the driving line. If the 7 instead of the quarter hour, it might show @ the 7 day period you have 4 hours of driving left. I have no idea, I am retired, & never used them, but to me I would want to know exactly how the ELD is set. Personally I prefer the electronic recording devices in the truck, makes all parties involved honest. As to the cameras, facing out I prefer, facing in, I find a dock bid. In the last 3 years of working I used my own DOD w430 dash cam. On 2 occasions it saved me from grief. von.
 
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vongrimmenstein said:
I would still keep doing the paper log after the ELD has kicked in. I would want to make sure the ELD was logging exactly like my paper log. Know for sure just how the ELD was set up before stopping the paper log. The ELD could show you had 3 hours @ the end of the week, or just the reverse. And does the ELD work off of 7 or 15 minute on the driving line. If the 7 instead of the quarter hour, it might show @ the 7 day period you have 4 hours of driving left. I have no idea, I am retired, & never used them, but to me I would want to know exactly how the ELD is set. Personally I prefer the electronic recording devices in the truck, makes all parties involved honest. As to the cameras, facing out I prefer, facing in, I find a dock bid. In the last 3 years of working I used my own DOD w430 dash cam. On 2 occasions it saved me from grief. von.
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The computer goes by the minute. That's why you end up with more driving hours anyway. At least the way I log anyways. I like being at home so I don't sharpen my pencil like some of the other guys do. After the training period I wonder if it's legal to log with both? Its like running 2 logs without that exemption.
 
hangbelly said:
Am I over-thinking this? If you show a law-enforcement officer your e-log recap on hrs of service availability when he requests it in a roadside inspection, and he questions you as to it's accuracy, what do you say? If it shows, as shrink wrap says in his initial post that started this thread, that he has 70 hrs available according to DOT regs, but he actually can only use 25 hrs because of our work rules, is that not a technical falsification of hours-of -service availability? It doesn't really matter if it is less or more , it.s not accurate. The 24 hr logs will be accurate, but the recap could be off becuz of our work rules.When we ran our paper logs, we recapped according to work rules and no one was the wiser. It seems to me that when I certify my e-logs as being accurate, as we are now required to do each day, I want to be certain that they ALL are.Or do we qualify that by stating that available hours of service could be inaccurate subject to work rules in effect? Good luck with that.
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As I was once told by the D.O.T. main office.We are contracted to this employer by a union.Our work rules regarding hours of service such as the restart rule.Does not apply
 
bigtruk_us said:
As I was once told by the D.O.T. main office.We are contracted to this employer by a union.Our work rules regarding hours of service such as the restart rule.Does not apply
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That may be true, but a driver using the 34 hour re-start to subvert either seniority or terminal call-out times would make the company subject to a grievance, since ABF has signed an agreement with the Teamsters about not using the ( voluntary) 34 hr re-start.

The fact that the ELD's can't be programmed to account for non-usage of the 34 hour re-start is a little suspicious to me. Should be a minor software adjustment.

The 34 hour re-start is voluntary, ...........But one of my sons drove for four of the nation's largest truckload carriers,.......who shall be unnamed here,...........And, as far as they are concerned, there is nothing "voluntary" about it. Dispatch will tell you when to take a 34 hr. break so you can "maximize" your hours to 81 in an 8 day period.

And......... since Union carriers only account for 10% of the drivers out there,........It's no wonder that the software automatically adjusts for a 34 hour re-start anytime you take a 48 hour break. None of the non-Union truck drivers are aware that use of the 34 hour provision is voluntary by the driver's choice.......

And,.......even if they knew it, how many would argue with their dispatchers about it?

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canaryinthemine said:
That may be true, but a driver using the 34 hour re-start to subvert either seniority or terminal call-out times would make the company subject to a grievance, since ABF has signed an agreement with the Teamsters about not using the ( voluntary) 34 hr re-start.

The fact that the ELD's can't be programmed to account for non-usage of the 34 hour re-start is a little suspicious to me. Should be a minor software adjustment.

The 34 hour re-start is voluntary, ...........But one of my sons drove for four of the nation's largest truckload carriers,.......who shall be unnamed here,...........And, as far as they are concerned, there is nothing "voluntary" about it. Dispatch will tell you when to take a 34 hr. break so you can "maximize" your hours to 81 in an 8 day period.
seemigl
And......... since Union carriers only account for 10% of the drivers out there,........It's no wonder that the software automatically adjusts for a 34 hour re-start anytime you take a 48 hour break. None of the non-Union truck drivers are aware that use of the 34 hour provision is voluntary by the driver's choice.......

And,.......even if they knew it, how many would argue with their dispatchers about it?

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Not many and with the new "right to be paid less and be fired for no reason" legislation seemingly taking the country by storm they probably wouldn't last long if they did.
 
Boilerpeddle said:
Not many and with the new "right to be paid less and be fired for no reason" legislation seemingly taking the country by storm they probably wouldn't last long if they did.
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Hah! There's a novel idea........ Cut drivers' pay,........And then lobby to get the hours of service increased so they can work longer,.......... so the company can benificantly allow them to work longer and make up the shortfall.......

Kind of like the non-Union carriers not paying overtime to their local drivers because of an archaic twist in the 1938 Fair Labor Standards Act,.........So they benificantly let their drivers work up to 60 hours to make up that lack of overtime pay.........

Overtime is supposed to be a penalty paid by your employer for keeping your CDL license at risk longer than eight hours.

Same as the hours of service is supposed to limit employer abuse and fatigue.......

So,..... in my opinion,...... any employer who uses the 34 hour re-start in their linehaul operation,........And refuses to pay overtime in their city operation....... is a lying SOS when they mealy-mouth about driver "safety" ,and about how they are a "responsible" carrier.......

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canaryinthemine said:
Hah! There's a novel idea........ Cut drivers' pay,........And then lobby to get the hours of service increased so they can work longer,.......... so the company can benificantly allow them to work longer and make up the shortfall.......

Kind of like the non-Union carriers not paying overtime to their local drivers because of an archaic twist in the 1938 Fair Labor Standards Act,.........So they benificantly let their drivers work up to 60 hours to make up that lack of overtime pay.........

Overtime is supposed to be a penalty paid by your employer for keeping your CDL license at risk longer than eight hours.

Same as the hours of service is supposed to limit employer abuse and fatigue.......

So,..... in my opinion,...... any employer who uses the 34 hour re-start in their linehaul operation,........And refuses to pay overtime in their city operation....... is a lying SOS when they mealy-mouth about driver "safety" ,and about how they are a "responsible" carrier.......

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Never fear and don't fret, James P Hoffa is working fervently to correct these problems.
 
ABFer said:
Never fear and don't fret, James P Hoffa is working fervently to correct these problems.
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Oh, Good Grief! You mean like the cavalry coming over the hill?.......Or like a White Knight on his charger taking on a dragon?

His "fervently working" was assigning Fric and Frac ........... formerly known as Johnson and Sweeton.......... to look into the "freight" problem............. as long as it didn't cut Into their greens fees and start times on the golf course............

I think Mr. Hoffa is fervently working on finding a good lawyer to defend himself and make sure all the slime Hall and Aloise are neck deep charged with,......... doesn't stick on him.......

So I think he might be a little preoccupied to worry about those whiny guys in freight....... Besides, his " charger " is in the garage,...... getting new horseshoes or something....
 
The system is full of falsification. Here's an example. Logout at a meet and greet into off duty break mode. Climb into the second tractor when it arrives and login to on duty status. It will not let you proceed until you answer "Yes" to "Have you performed a pretrip inspection?" How could you do this while you were off duty?

Call your wife to pick you up because it's Catch 22. You cannot go on duty unless you inspect, but you can't go on duty until you inspect. You're lying if you click yes, then inspect.
 
CDL holder said:
The system is full of falsification. Here's an example. Logout at a meet and greet into off duty break mode. Climb into the second tractor when it arrives and login to on duty status. It will not let you proceed until you answer "Yes" to "Have you performed a pretrip inspection?" How could you do this while you were off duty?

Call your wife to pick you up because it's Catch 22. You cannot go on duty unless you inspect, but you can't go on duty until you inspect. You're lying if you click yes, then inspect.
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To do a proper pre-trip inspection should take at least 15 minute. You are also required to do a post-trip inspection. The 2 of them combined should be @ least 30 minutes. If the EOBR does not show you on line 4 on duty not driving, @ the end of 5 days you re-cap is off by 2.5 hours compared to management. That might make the difference between going home and being forced to take a short run. Without fail run a paper log & do the re-cap to show the boss why you can't take that run he is so desperate to find a driver for. Know the law. Protect yourself by keeping documents. Like it says below you are on duty when doing a pre or post trip inspection. Send an e-mail to Safety or someone @ YRC asking if the regs state if you are on or off duty doing mandatory equipment inspections. Once you have an e-mail from YRC saying you are on duty, your paper log is right. It is the accurate record, not the EOBR. Never let them get the upper hand. Know the law & have documents to prove you position. I believe if every driver road or city did a paper log alongside the EOBR the issue of on duty or not doing inspections would be resolved very quickly. Until then CYA. von.



What Is On-Duty Time?.


The 60-hour/7-day limit and 70-hour/8-day limit are based on how many hours you work over a

period of days. Just what kind of work is included in on-duty time? It includes all time you are

working or are required to be ready to work, for any employer. It includes the following activities:

• All time at a plant, terminal, facility, or other property of a

motor carrier or shipper, or on any public property, waiting to

be dispatched, unless you have been relieved from duty by the

motor carrier;


• All time inspecting, servicing, or conditioning any truck,
including fueling it and washing it at any time;
 
CDL holder said:
The system is full of falsification. Here's an example. Logout at a meet and greet into off duty break mode. Climb into the second tractor when it arrives and login to on duty status. It will not let you proceed until you answer "Yes" to "Have you performed a pretrip inspection?" How could you do this while you were off duty?

Call your wife to pick you up because it's Catch 22. You cannot go on duty unless you inspect, but you can't go on duty until you inspect. You're lying if you click yes, then inspect.
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Don't log out at the meet point only click off duty. When the next driver arrives click back on duty then click log out of truck, then click yes for post trip then click ok then click on duty again. You should not be switching Trucks off duty to start with.
 
At my place, it's not complicated. We follow the e-log numbers with a 34 hr reset and no one, especially dispatch, ever questions the validity of the numbers. My question, on running a separate paper log to document your time, in the event of a discrepancy between the e-log and the paper log, how do you prove that you have not penciled whipped the paper log since the document has only been in your possession while the e-log numbers can't be penciled whipped and are in the company's possession at all times?
 
Dracula said:
At my place, it's not complicated. We follow the e-log numbers with a 34 hr reset and no one, especially dispatch, ever questions the validity of the numbers. My question, on running a separate paper log to document your time, in the event of a discrepancy between the e-log and the paper log, how do you prove that you have not penciled whipped the paper log since the document has only been in your possession while the e-log numbers can't be penciled whipped and are in the company's possession at all times?
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While we have guys who are keeping a paper log, I refuse to. The company said Feb 1st we would be on the computer so that's what I go by. I just take my hours off the log at the end of the day or go back and get them my next dispatch....
 
nightowl said:
While we have guys who are keeping a paper log, I refuse to. The company said Feb 1st we would be on the computer so that's what I go by. I just take my hours off the log at the end of the day or go back and get them my next dispatch....
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Why would one keep a paper log ?
If your on E log the DOT will go by the machine and if they don't jive ? Falsification and OS for 10 hours plus the ticket.
 
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