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ABF | Harrisburg June 20, 2017, 1 P.M.: Right-To-Work Is Wrong Rally

That's good. It's pathetic it comes to this, but there are barns that don't want to be union, but are. The weak contract reflects it. It's a selling point, at this day and age, it's like a money back guarantee. I don't know of many guys who are too cheap to pay for good service.
 
buffalobill said:
Right now, most unions charge 1 penny less for agency fees, so what happens when guys at a company are compelled to be union because the company benefits more than the guys?
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Is it literally 1 penny? That could be troublesome for the offending local if one of their indigents got learned. According to the Beck laws they have to compose a complete accounting of their activities and provide their conscientious objectors with a copy of it once a year. Failure to do so is serious business.
 
ABFer said:
Is it literally 1 penny? That could be troublesome for the offending local if one of their indigents got learned. According to the Beck laws they have to compose a complete accounting of their activities and provide their conscientious objectors with a copy of it once a year. Failure to do so is serious business.
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Iirc, the agency fees only keep you from paying for political action funds, and if a local stays out of politics, that's the loophole.
 
joes bar and grill said:
If nobody paid dues and received the benefits of union representation there would be no union. Why should a person feel entitled to union representation without paying for it? I'm not talking about what Hoffa has done to the teamsters, they are just one union, what about IBEW,IAM,UAW, why should they be penalized for something the teamsters have done?
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Unions don't have to represent those who aren't members in right to work states. The unions make that choice by requesting exclusive representation rights.


As a quid pro quo for the right of exclusivity, the union is required to represent all employees in the bargaining unit, whether or not they are union members, fairly, in good faith, and without hostility or discriminatory or arbitrary conduct.
 
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Dick Dastardly said:
Unions don't have to represent those who aren't memebers in right to work states. The unions make that choice by requesting exclusive representation rights.


As a quid pro quo for the right of exclusivity, the union is required to represent all employees in the bargaining unit, whether or not they are union members, fairly, in good faith, and without hostility or discriminatory or arbitrary conduct.
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Yep, And Dick, we believe this happens too, don't we?
 
buffalobill said:
Iirc, the agency fees only keep you from paying for political action funds, and if a local stays out of politics, that's the loophole.
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Close but it includes all political activities, not just PAC's. Actually, they are not allowed to use any union funds to support politicians, that is why they have PAC's and the IBT has DRIVE. I can't say for sure what constitutes a political activity but I think that canaryinthemine is close with his 82% figure for dues for a conscientious objector. In a non RTW state it would not behoove a member to withhold that little amount and forfeit what union rights we have.
 
seabreeze said:
Yep, And Dick, we believe this happens too, don't we?
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I'm not sure I understand your question. You mean fair representation? No, of course not. You get what you pay for. However, if a union successfully represents a non paying worker who's to say they don't make him a believer, so to speak. Maybe then he or she will realize the benefits of representation and sign up.
 
Dick Dastardly said:
I'm not sure I understand your question. You mean fair representation? No, of course not. You get what you pay for. However, if a union successfully represents a non paying worker who's to say they don't make him a believer, so to speak. Maybe then he or she will realize the benefits of representation and sign up.
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What I meant was, two types of representation, we had a nonpayer who learned the hard way.
Lost his case and his job, another member almost the same deal, gets a warning letter.
 
Dick Dastardly said:
Like I said above, you get what you pay for. My local operated on the basis of everyone gets one. If they save your ass once and you don't come around, tough.
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Every local and agent could well yield different results. I've heard the phrase, "You have to provide representation, you don't have to provide competent representation", and I would expect many to not put too much effort into it for a non member. It could also come back to bite them in the ass.
 
If the company uses the contract like toilet paper, it's only because no one cares enough to enforce it.

If a BA shuts you down on a good grievance,...... go to the executive board. If they shut you down, go to the Labor board. Document everything people tell you.

A contract is legal and binding. If you push hard enough, everyone stays on the right side of the law.

I said I had gotten threatened by a steward 30 years ago to leave a job. It was MY lack of courage back then that didn't make me sink my teeth into that job and fight out of principles sake....

Try threatening me now.........I'm too old to worry about my "good" looks getting messed up........
 
What about when the contract is so crappy the grievance language stresses handling the problem with the company, and only come to the union as a last resort. With language like that, no one should be suprised when there is no caring.
 
If it's acknowledged by just about everyone in the bargaining unit that the grievance language is crappy,......... then you can petition to re-open the contract and re-negotiate that language.

It's not easy,..... but you've got to remember, the company WANTS you to throw your hands up in despair, and not bother to try and change things. That's part of their strategy.......

In barns where guys DO care, and put the time and effort in,....... they are rewarded with a good, honest contract .......... in spite of the companies efforts to make things difficult and time-consuming.

Big Business strategy counts on the new American non-volunteering, non-involved, don't bother me, I'm too busy watching football/WWF/ baseball/cartoons/ NASCAR to worry about something as mundane as how I get paid and work rules.......

BOOORING!
 
buffalobill said:
What about when the contract is so crappy the grievance language stresses handling the problem with the company, and only come to the union as a last resort. With language like that, no one should be suprised when there is no caring.
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Didn't want to sound flippant in that last post, Brother,..... I know how hard it is to start an organizing drive, and try to keep everyone supporting you in that drive.

You have my respect if you tried to organize and gain a first contract.
 
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