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icuicp said:
That's a big problem when you compare services and how LTLs are perceived by the customers. XPO management has a "rob-Peter-to-pay-Paul-mentality"
IIf you move start times of P&D from 9am to 10:30 , don't complain about drivers getting back later with the same deliveries and pick-ups.

On the elog deal I had a linehaul driver on a long run tell me he will just move his lunch to show during his dock time and he won't have any problem with his "barely-legal-run"
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He could probably do that, of course he'd need to punch out of Kronos at the corresponding time.

In other words, he would take his lunch.
 
ole man said:
At one time I ran a town with a FedEx driver, I would get to the usual meet point to break my set around noon, then start my day of deliveries and pick ups. The FedEx driver would be empty, doing lunch break and waiting for pick ups. CCX, Con-way and XPO have always been the last company on the street.
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I also talk to another LTL carrier and he has a cut time for his p&d I think he said 0830. Whatever isnt on the truck by then goes out the next day. He said he rarely miss a delivery or a pickup and has his lunch in by 1300.
I think we need to start parking late freight at the FAC and have cut times at the FAC.
 
What the company should do is have cut times at terminals. If inbound isn't done by 30 minutes after the last start time just kick everyone out to the street and sit the freight not broken. Been there when inbound finishes up at noon or later and runs leave with 8 to 10 stops and a hour stem time to first stop. It make no sense. We work all the freight and bring back stops just to say every piece hit the street.
 
CCXdriver said:
It goes by the second. That's why a 31 minute lunch is required. 29:59 would be a violation.
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If it goes by seconds then your clock starts at 0:00. Therefore a 30 minute break would actually be 30 plus the time it takes to log back on duty.
 
freightman68 said:
I don't know why, but at OD if you don't take 31 minutes it doesn't count as your break.
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I punch that sucker as soon as it turns to 30. Never been talked to about it. I'm not spending one more minute then I need too.
 
FAC'S do have "Cut Times" and the E-Logs are great. Very Easy. Log in and drive, if you have to take lunch then log off. That is it. By the way you DO NOT have to hit Enable Yard Unless you are close on your 11hr drive time. That is all it is for.
 
I love the e-log. I protect my drive hours as much as possible by hitting the yard enable function as soon as I get to the yard and for as long as I am on the yard. One thing you need to keep in the truck is a book of paper logs. If the e-log goes down and you don't have a paper log to log your time, you can get a ticket. Also, my company has always required each truck to have a users guide for the e-log. If you get stopped and do not have a user guide, you can get a ticket for that as well.
 
icuicp said:
On the elog deal I had a linehaul driver on a long run tell me he will just move his lunch to show during his dock time and he won't have any problem with his "barely-legal-run"
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Then he's falsifying the log twice- not showing the lunch when he takes it (or not taking it all), and showing a lunch while he's clocked into Kronos. That's the kind of thing that comes back to haunt you later.
 
Ump said:
If it goes by seconds then your clock starts at 0:00. Therefore a 30 minute break would actually be 30 plus the time it takes to log back on duty.
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The clock starts when you punch off duty- so unless you punch at exactly midnight, it won't be 00:00:00.

The problem is that you can't see the seconds, so if you go off-duty at 1:00:45, and then go back on at 1:30:30, it looks like you've taken 30 minutes to you but the computer sees that you've only taken 29 minutes and 45 seconds. Taking an extra minute prevents being short on seconds.
 
Fly-by-night said:
I also talk to another LTL carrier and he has a cut time for his p&d I think he said 0830. Whatever isnt on the truck by then goes out the next day. He said he rarely miss a delivery or a pickup and has his lunch in by 1300.
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He rarely misses a delivery? What about all that freight that gets parked on the fence? If you paid for Amazon Prime, and your packages consistently showed up in 3 days instead of 2 so a driver could take his lunch at 1pm, you might reconsider paying for that service.
 
Dracula said:
I love the e-log. I protect my drive hours as much as possible by hitting the yard enable function as soon as I get to the yard and for as long as I am on the yard. One thing you need to keep in the truck is a book of paper logs. If the e-log goes down and you don't have a paper log to log your time, you can get a ticket. Also, my company has always required each truck to have a users guide for the e-log. If you get stopped and do not have a user guide, you can get a ticket for that as well.
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Good advice Dracula our company same way when they installed the e-logs they put the user guide in the permit book along with a paper log. I was stopped just the other day first thing he asked for was my log's and checked for user guide and paper log before he even asked for license and dot card,
 
Serene Gene said:
He rarely misses a delivery? What about all that freight that gets parked on the fence? If you paid for Amazon Prime, and your packages consistently showed up in 3 days instead of 2 so a driver could take his lunch at 1pm, you might reconsider paying for that service.
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Maybe I should have said " he deliveries ALL the freight that is on his truck when he leaves and rarely bring any freight he has to delivery back dues to miss delivery times". Ok lets talk about Amazon Prime. 1. you pay and extra fee to be a member and shipping is free. 2. They have a cut time on the order. 3. not everything is on there site is eligible for prime service. 4. there are no receiving hour at you house the package just has to be there that day even if it is at 8pm or later.
We have standard transit times and do not guarantee those transit times. We do have a guarantee service which they pay extra for and if we don't meet that service then it free.
I have seen 12 stop P&D runs having all but one skid that could leave at 9am being told to wait on one skid and leaving the yard at 1100. Then at the end of the day they return with 3 or 4 of there deliveries. So tell me what sense did that make holding a truck for a non guaranteed skid just to take 3 or 4 stops for a ride? Sometime you could throw it on a later run but with the lack of trucks to drive and the amount of freight the high ups what on the trucks there is no were to put it. So parking that one skid on the fence would have saved a lot of headaches, paperwork, and labor cost of handling the returned freight again and also increasing the chance of damaging it.
 
Fly-by-night said:
We have standard transit times and do not guarantee those transit times.
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Then what's the point of having transit times? We're not talking about weather or accidents, we're talking about operational decisions- why would someone use XPO when they could go to CT or YRC and pay less for the same, "We'll get it there at our convenience" service?

Fly-by-night said:
I have seen 12 stop P&D runs having all but one skid that could leave at 9am being told to wait on one skid and leaving the yard at 1100. Then at the end of the day they return with 3 or 4 of there deliveries. So tell me what sense did that make holding a truck for a non guaranteed skid just to take 3 or 4 stops for a ride?
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In that case, I would agree with you- but there's a difference between addressing situations like that when they come up and making it a policy to park freight at a certain time. I think that'd be bad for business.
 
Serene Gene said:
The clock starts when you punch off duty- so unless you punch at exactly midnight, it won't be 00:00:00.

The problem is that you can't see the seconds, so if you go off-duty at 1:00:45, and then go back on at 1:30:30, it looks like you've taken 30 minutes to you but the computer sees that you've only taken 29 minutes and 45 seconds. Taking an extra minute prevents being short on seconds.
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Mine counts my minute as I sit. I'm not saying your lunch starts at 0:00 just the timer. Therefore if your 30 minute break counts up from 0:00 to 30 as soon as that timer hits 30 you're okay.
 
Once again, as having been said, it is best practice to let the break clock go until 31 minutes, 29 minutes and 59 seconds will not count. Remember that you are on a Electronic device where as it counts seconds also . It will count exactly down to the second from when you log off duty. Example is if yo log off at 1:05 pm and the actual time is 1:05 and 20 seconds your full break will not count unless you wait until 1:35 and 20 seconds. It is easier to wait until that extra minute goes by to make sure that the break is locked in. If not, plan on taking another 31 minute break and eventually you'll learn not to log back on duty at 30 minutes
 
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I do not use elogs ( yet ) so what I am learning is what is shared with me by others and not from experience.

Is it true that at XPO you cannot do a 16 hour day with elogs?
 
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