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RockyMountainDoubles

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Out of the blue I get a email from you guys saying they need p&d give them a contact number to schedule for a interview if I'm interested. I then looked at the hiring deal cause I dropped a app for road driver back in march. Totally forgot about it and it needed to be completed. My fault. But I thought I'd get a email or something saying update it.

Well they are hiring full time p&d for UPSF. I wanna know if it's worth the move cause I know the starting pay is horrible to me. I know top out pay is extremely great too. This is Denver COL is expensive and I'm not a 21year old living in my moms basement. I got typical bills but live within my means at 70-80k a year. Don't want to get promised the world then work barely 40hrs or worse in winter.

Is this the only way to get to linehaul is through p&d? Also does extraboard if I eventually get to linehaul work all the time or once to week? I know it's a pay decrease but I'm willing to tough it out if the hours are there. Why I want insight on this terminal or what I can typically make 1st year at that barn.

I work at Reddaway and our city guys work year round getting tons of hours cause of lack of pay that attracts drivers to us. So their always short handed. I was a L/H driver for 5 years it never slows down for linehaul always short handed even the extraboard gets ran into the ground.

Just some insight or thoughts pls. Thanks.
 
It varies from terminal to terminal and it seems like you already know what the deal is working with LTL already. But just make sure you find out information about that terminal before you make that move. It's worth it if you can survive and make it through. This might make some people upset but there's no such thing as a "Brotherhood" over here. It's dog eat dog and every man for himself. Your money go be counted and you might be purposely cut cause someone may file a grievance on you. lol I'm just keeping it one hundred with you. Most of the time you have to work the city for while to get a road run. Hope this helps.
 
RockyMountainDoubles said:
Out of the blue I get a email from you guys saying they need p&d give them a contact number to schedule for a interview if I'm interested. I then looked at the hiring deal cause I dropped a app for road driver back in march. Totally forgot about it and it needed to be completed. My fault. But I thought I'd get a email or something saying update it.

Well they are hiring full time p&d for UPSF. I wanna know if it's worth the move cause I know the starting pay is horrible to me. I know top out pay is extremely great too. This is Denver COL is expensive and I'm not a 21year old living in my moms basement. I got typical bills but live within my means at 70-80k a year. Don't want to get promised the world then work barely 40hrs or worse in winter.

Is this the only way to get to linehaul is through p&d? Also does extraboard if I eventually get to linehaul work all the time or once to week? I know it's a pay decrease but I'm willing to tough it out if the hours are there. Why I want insight on this terminal or what I can typically make 1st year at that barn.

I work at Reddaway and our city guys work year round getting tons of hours cause of lack of pay that attracts drivers to us. So their always short handed. I was a L/H driver for 5 years it never slows down for linehaul always short handed even the extraboard gets ran into the ground.

Just some insight or thoughts pls. Thanks.
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Stay at reddaway, you will starve in winter,they watch everything, you won't make 70 or 80 for about 4 years,you will fall into the 10 percent which has no guarantees of 8 hrs,just be careful, the management there are evil and will promise you the world, I worked there for 5 year's, biggest ******* management in the industry
 
I work at the Denver terminal in Commerce City. If you need specifics about certain things please PM me. But I will tell you off the bat we have immediate need for drivers for City P&D. You will not be able to get a spot driving Line for a long time as there is not expected to be any openings and there are guys with seniority already waiting to jump on it. Your start time right out of training will be 0500 am Monday, 0600 am Tues through Thurs and 10 am Friday. That will be your schedule. You will work no less than 11.5 hours per day. Minimum. Every morning you come in you will work the dock for about 4 to 5 hours breaking inbound trailers. Then you will be asked to drive. If you have alot of stops you will be asked to deliver until your HOS expire and they will send another driver out to pick you up to bring you back in. If you finish delivering before you hit 14 then you will come in and work dock again breaking city trailers and loading outbound line trailers until you hit 14 or work is complete. All of our bottom guys are getting 11-14 hours daily. Friday you will start late morning 10am but will work late into the night. After your city P&D is complete you will be asked to shuttle rail trailers Friday night to the railyard until HOS expire. Absolutely no chance of layoff at this center for P&D. Zero. There is also a retention bonus of 5k if you stay on with UPSF but please PM me for details.
 
Well that'll work!!! To bad most terminals don't run like that and promise that much. But apparently you know a lot about that terminal. You just make sure you know what you'll talking about before this man go over there cause that's a lot you are guaranteeing. But I'll like to see him over here but I don't want to see him hit rock bottom neither.
 
Yes, that is the honest to God truth. As far as nature of the work goes, it will be rough, not going to lie to you. As long as you are a hard worker and used to physically demanding work you'll be fine. And I mean pup trailer all hand offload because it is not equipped with a liftgate, peddle runs that are loaded completely out of order and you will have to rearrange freight as you go to get the stops off. Pallet jack wheels that won't even roll because of the amount of wood debris on the trailer floor. Skids that have fallen over inside the trailer because they weren't strapped, inside deliveries of heavy furniture, pallets of paper across a parking lot inside an office building, etc. Oh and simply not enough time to do it either, because you won't hit the streets on time to do it all, ever. Those will be the kinds of trailers you get as a low guy on the board. It's a matter of what you can tolerate, but the job is here and no danger of hours being cut or layoffs, not a chance. There is usually volunteer work on weekends too. What will be a challenge is finding a decent place to live on 17.20 per hour in the Denver area. But at least you will get plenty of overtime.
 
Knightsport82 said:
Yes, that is the honest to God truth. As far as nature of the work goes, it will be rough, not going to lie to you. As long as you are a hard worker and used to physically demanding work you'll be fine. And I mean pup trailer all hand offload because it is not equipped with a liftgate, peddle runs that are loaded completely out of order and you will have to rearrange freight as you go to get the stops off. Pallet jack wheels that won't even roll because of the amount of wood debris on the trailer floor. Skids that have fallen over inside the trailer because they weren't strapped, inside deliveries of heavy furniture, pallets of paper across a parking lot inside an office building, etc. Oh and simply not enough time to do it either, because you won't hit the streets on time to do it all, ever. Those will be the kinds of trailers you get as a low guy on the board. It's a matter of what you can tolerate, but the job is here and no danger of hours being cut or layoffs, not a chance. There is usually volunteer work on weekends too. What will be a challenge is finding a decent place to live on 17.20 per hour in the Denver area. But at least you will get plenty of overtime.
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Thanks for the comeback guys! As far as physical work I work for McLane food service now. Not the team operation. I like having a physical job to keep me in shape. Call me crazy. I will have to look into this and do some thinking. Thanks again for the comeback.
 
Sounds like a lot of forced OT. Doesn't the UPSF contract say anything about how much can be forced and when the employee can refuse OT? The master freight agreement would let the company force no more than 2 hours. If you weren't notified about forced OT within your 1st 6 hours you could still say no to those 2 hours. If you were on the street doing p and d you had to stay out and finish the route.
 
Freight Crusher said:
Sounds like a lot of forced OT. Doesn't the UPSF contract say anything about how much can be forced and when the employee can refuse OT? The master freight agreement would let the company force no more than 2 hours. If you weren't notified about forced OT within your 1st 6 hours you could still say no to those 2 hours. If you were on the street doing p and d you had to stay out and finish the route.
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Depends on the regional supplement in NMFA
 
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RockyMountainDoubles said:
Thanks for the comeback guys! As far as physical work I work for McLane food service now. Not the team operation. I like having a physical job to keep me in shape. Call me crazy. I will have to look into this and do some thinking. Thanks again for the comeback.
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What's going on that you want to quit McLane?

I would caution you to look past the benefits and get a pulse of the place. Drive past terminal if your not fimilar with it, go visit. I visited a terminal a few times, and what I thought was going to be a slam dunk, ended up being a foul ball. I really did my due diligence after talking with them. Just didn't seem worth the trouble to work for the red headed step child.

Now that being said, if you have some money stacked away, or spouse that can carry the load at times, the terminal is cranking it out, absolutely. You will enjoy some great benefits and probably the top pay in the industry, and backed by big brother UPS PACK.

Do your homework:coffee1:.

Best of luck to you!
 
Rollin said:
:coffee1::coffee1:

What's going on that you want to quit McLane?

I would caution you to look past the benefits and get a pulse of the place. Drive past terminal if your not fimilar with it, go visit. I visited a terminal a few times, and what I thought was going to be a slam dunk, ended up being a foul ball. I really did my due diligence after talking with them. Just didn't seem worth the trouble to work for the red headed step child.

Now that being said, if you have some money stacked away, or spouse that can carry the load at times, the terminal is cranking it out, absolutely. You will enjoy some great benefits and probably the top pay in the industry, and backed by big brother UPS PACK.

Do your homework:coffee1:.

Best of luck to you!
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Nothing wrong with McLane. Great company and management. But I've always considered UPS as the top company since I've became a driver. My buddy been there at package for almost 20 years as a package van driver so I know what's up. McLane has a great 401k and pays topped out drivers very well 100k+ but it's almost all night work. No pension. UPSF city seems to be a day shift make good money on days when topped out then I can eventually go back to easier night work as I get older. Eventually I know I can't last as long at McLane vs UPSF. Even though there are guys at McLane at 60 still delivering food and not on a shuttle. I just gotta do like you said my homework. Thanks.
 
Freight Crusher said:
Sounds like a lot of forced OT. Doesn't the UPSF contract say anything about how much can be forced and when the employee can refuse OT? The master freight agreement would let the company force no more than 2 hours. If you weren't notified about forced OT within your 1st 6 hours you could still say no to those 2 hours. If you were on the street doing p and d you had to stay out and finish the route.
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So, at our barn, every day without fail for over 1 year strong now, we receive a message on our DIAD at around 3pm that says "Need 6-10 drivers for 6AM dock work. If not enough volunteers, bottom will be forced." No one with seniority rarely volunteers so as a result our bottom guys get forced. That is the reason the guys on bottom get so many hours. Now a chain reaction to this, is that guys with seniority are working later getting forced to do spot/hooks they normally would've been able to pass off on.. due to the bottom guys still being out and not enough hours, etc. Also a recent thing, within the last 6 months now is we receive a message at 4pm every day on DIAD saying "ALL drivers that started 8am or later must break your trailer upon return." They do this regardless of seniority and do not care how many bills you have on your trailer. Crazy huh?
 
RockyMountainDoubles said:
Nothing wrong with McLane. Great company and management. But I've always considered UPS as the top company since I've became a driver. My buddy been there at package for almost 20 years as a package van driver so I know what's up. McLane has a great 401k and pays topped out drivers very well 100k+ but it's almost all night work. No pension. UPSF city seems to be a day shift make good money on days when topped out then I can eventually go back to easier night work as I get older. Eventually I know I can't last as long at McLane vs UPSF. Even though there are guys at McLane at 60 still delivering food and not on a shuttle. I just gotta do like you said my homework. Thanks.
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To be honest with you, if I were moving to Denver right now with real estate being what it is here, (and it is insane here), I would hop on board with Saia or Fedex Freight. High starting wages, (SAIA is 25.50 per hr to start here and you get 5,000 dollars for completing a year) only thing is OT, I heard time and a half is after 48 hours. Correct me if I am wrong. Fedex high wages too for starting. At least you can live somewhere decent and enjoy life. Now, as for that pension we got.... eh, yeah. Whole 'nother discussion there......
 
Knightsport82 said:
I work at the Denver terminal in Commerce City. If you need specifics about certain things please PM me. But I will tell you off the bat we have immediate need for drivers for City P&D. You will not be able to get a spot driving Line for a long time as there is not expected to be any openings and there are guys with seniority already waiting to jump on it. Your start time right out of training will be 0500 am Monday, 0600 am Tues through Thurs and 10 am Friday. That will be your schedule. You will work no less than 11.5 hours per day. Minimum. Every morning you come in you will work the dock for about 4 to 5 hours breaking inbound trailers. Then you will be asked to drive. If you have alot of stops you will be asked to deliver until your HOS expire and they will send another driver out to pick you up to bring you back in. If you finish delivering before you hit 14 then you will come in and work dock again breaking city trailers and loading outbound line trailers until you hit 14 or work is complete. All of our bottom guys are getting 11-14 hours daily. Friday you will start late morning 10am but will work late into the night. After your city P&D is complete you will be asked to shuttle rail trailers Friday night to the railyard until HOS expire. Absolutely no chance of layoff at this center for P&D. Zero. There is also a retention bonus of 5k if you stay on with UPSF but please PM me for details.
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A 24 year old CDL holder's want a job like that with those ours. No wonder LTL can't find people, union or not. If you are young you can handle that kind of work. Find a 10 year vet in this business, and more than likely he will go somewhere else. The back & forth from the dock to drive in a 14 hour period is a red flag. All dock or all drive might not be so bad. We had our UE drivers refuse or slow walk unloading their trailer in the morning after running all night, they finally let them go home after they returned. They always drove @ least 300 miles & worked the dock on the other end. Unloading their trailer or others after a long night proved to be to much for most.von.
 
Knightsport82 said:
To be honest with you, if I were moving to Denver right now with real estate being what it is here, (and it is insane here), I would hop on board with Saia or Fedex Freight. High starting wages, (SAIA is 25.50 per hr to start here and you get 5,000 dollars for completing a year) only thing is OT, I heard time and a half is after 48 hours. Correct me if I am wrong. Fedex high wages too for starting. At least you can live somewhere decent and enjoy life. Now, as for that pension we got.... eh, yeah. Whole 'nother discussion there......
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Saia typically OT after 45 within pay period, TH-Wed. That being said, I highly recommend them. Then move to Linehaul as soon as possible (separate boards) & join a gym (as you like to work your balls off to stay in shape. That gets old & makes you old, quickly).
 
i would agree that it depends on the terminal. For instance (and i don't know your family/housing situation), but if you were willing to relocate to the east coast, you could get more miles than you can handle as a road driver and gross at least $1500 per week. That is because one of our hubs needs road drivers BAD.
 
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