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Serene Gene said:
Go ahead and laugh, but good luck convincing anyone. There are many degrees of coercion and tolerance- it doesn't have to be car bombs and bricks through windows, and it doesn't even have to be union-led. To say that it's unreasonable to think that employees might be hesitant to push back after an organizing campaign is either severely out of touch or flat out dishonest.



That's interesting- what did he say when you asked him why he doesn't want to improve the lives of the workers?
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To honest Gene we never really discuss that at great length. He believes the companies are pushing the limits on legality with it. He believes in unions but feels companies have lost their moral compass at this point. I wish I could tell you more but that's about as far as it goes. Sorry. Unlike some some here we are friends and the issue is not a devicsive issue . You see when payment not involved it's not there's not us vs them , but you probably wouldn't understand.
 
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sucker666 said:
In their eyes we are grunts who deserve nothing but what they deam nessary . Pilots are not in the same catatgory as us in there minds. Sorry but that's the truth no matter how much it bothers you.
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I will have to disagree with you.. It's not really them that see's us grunts. As the saying goes. You make your bed, Now You lay in it. Some choose to be looked at as grunt's because they believe what the corporations tell's them. And I'm not saying trust everything the union tell's you either. But we need to educate our selves so we can be more than just a grunt holding a wheel or grunt turning a wrench. We the employee's are the problem. Because we allow it. For example look at the YRC employee's.
 
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Stand4afuture said:
I will have to disagree with you.. It's not really them that see's us grunts. As the saying goes. You make your bed, Now You lay in it. Some choose to be looked at as grunt's because they believe what the corporations tell's them. And I'm not saying trust everything the union tell's you either. But we need to educate our selves so we can be more than just a grunt holding a wheel or grunt turning a wrench. We the employee's are the problem. Because we allow it. For example look at the YRC employee's.
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I for one do not see myself as a grunt... I was referring to the way they see us. We hold the cards at this point the problem is as you say .. I think.. many do not realize this.
 
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I for one do not see myself as a grunt... I was referring to the way they see us. We hold the cards at this point the problem is as you say .. I think.. many do not realize this.
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Sorry didn't mean to imply that you we're a grunt.. I meant some not everyone. And yes i agree as employee's we do hold the card's when we stick as one team.
But when defense doesn't do it's job make's it harder for the offense to do their job. Can't win anything if it's not a complete team.
Example.. What's the name of the 49's who would kneel when the anthem was played? Anyways that team was allover the place. Did they even win a game?
 
sucker666 said:
In their eyes we are grunts who deserve nothing but what they deam nessary . Pilots are not in the same catatgory as us in there minds. Sorry but that's the truth no matter how much it bothers you. So sucks there's a 3 hr time difference ;(
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Yea, you are correct. It's a bitch when reality slaps us up side the face. von.
 
Stand4afuture said:
I will have to disagree with you.. It's not really them that see's us grunts. As the saying goes. You make your bed, Now You lay in it. Some choose to be looked at as grunt's because they believe what the corporations tell's them. And I'm not saying trust everything the union tell's you either. But we need to educate our selves so we can be more than just a grunt holding a wheel or grunt turning a wrench. We the employee's are the problem. Because we allow it. For example look at the YRC employee's.
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Ya nailed it. As in WE the employees have the control & true power. But we fail to exercise that power for we fear the risk that it takes to gain said power. von.
 
I disagree with the grunt analogy because I know what being a "grunt" is in the real sense of the word. I don't recall who first made the comparison, but I figure if you that's what you think then you must have some examples to back up your claim, please provide them.
 
This was posted in Laredo Tx.


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Congratulations Laredo !!!!
 
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If you can't read that posting the company lost its appeals and is forced now to recognize Laredo as a bargining unit. The first line says the company violated the law.
 
micshol said:
Probably because the case was filed Almost 2 years ago.
https://www.nlrb.gov/case/16-CA-159605
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Yes that is correct when originaly filed we were Con-way.
Con-way / Xpo took this all the way to United States Supream Court where they found there was no grounds for the appeal.

The decision to not hear the appeal was made in June. The company was made to post the decision by the NLRB. There has been no bargaining since Laredo's vote due to the company's appeals to the vote outcome.

I guess the NLRB and the Supream court must be slanted also;)
 
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sucker666 said:
Yes that is correct when originaly filed we were Con-way.
Con-way / Xpo took this all the way to United States Supream Court where they found there was no grounds for the appeal.

The decision to not hear the appeal was made in June. The company was made to post the decision by the NLRB. There has been no bargaining since Laredo's vote due to the company's appeals to the vote outcome.

I guess the NLRB and the Supream court must be slanted also;)
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I'm just wondering how much has it cost the worker's of Conway/XPO to fight all the company appeals? Has the people who voted for representation paid any union dues yet?
Because you know all the union's want is our money. According to the accountants that post.
 
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Stand4afuture said:
I'm just wondering how much has it the worker's of Conway/XPO to fight all the company appeals? Has the people who voted for representation paid any union dues yet?
Because you know all the union's want is our money. According to the accountants that post.
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No employee of Con-way or Xpo has paid a dime in union dues or initiation fees ( which are waved) to this point and will not until they begin work under a negotiated contract then and only then will dues be paid. ( and they are not retroactive)
 
Just as I thought.. was that a pin I heard drop... will pretent that it was just a fluke.. want to change the subject?
 
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Serene Gene said:
Of course they'll negotiate in good faith. They'll show up when they'll say they will, they'll listen to the proposals, they'll probably even agree to some of them like they have in Miami. But the people that voted in the union are going to want more than just Thursday paychecks and agreements to follow federal laws, and by law the company doesn't have to give it to them. Saying "no" is not failing to bargain in good faith.
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It's been years and still no contracts. It'll probably be years from now and still no contracts. I'll believe it when I see it. They got the money and they own the business. There is so much that can happen. And they can continue to drag this thing out for quite a while. Just like back when they voted, there were idiots on here saying they had to have a contract within one year. The NLRB would force the company to do this and that. And here we are and none of any of that was true. But they sure do believe it could be. And these guys are all wound up believing the next could be. I guess some people just gotta have something to believe in.

I believe in the worst outcome is the most likely. If better results occur. Then there's nothing to bitch about.

Lower your standards far enough and it's pretty hard to be disappointed.
 
sucker666 said:
I personally know the guy who is heading up the decert for FedEx in Philly ( know him for years a good guy)
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Tell him I said congrats- word is that he was successful.

sucker666 said:
Pilots are not in the same catatgory as us in there minds. Sorry but that's the truth no matter how much it bothers you.
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LTL drivers are not in the same category as airline pilots- let's not be too proud of ourselves.
 
Stand4afuture said:
And yes i agree as employee's we do hold the card's when we stick as one team...Can't win anything if it's not a complete team.
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And yet you're still trying, even though it's obvious you've only got a sideline full of coaches and maybe a backup kicker. At what point do you accept that no one wants to be on your team?

Stand4afuture said:
I'm just wondering how much has it cost the worker's of Conway/XPO to fight all the company appeals?
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Oh, look- pretend PR outrage. You don't get to support a union campaign at a non-union company and then complain because the company spends money to fight it- you knew that was coming. If anyone should be outraged, it's the rest of us- we didn't ask you to bring that BS to our workplace.

Stand4afuture said:
Has the people who voted for representation paid any union dues yet?Because you know all the union's want is our money. According to the accountants that post.
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That IS all they want- the fact that they have failed miserably at getting it doesn't change that.
 
sucker666 said:
If you can't read that posting the company lost its appeals and is forced now to recognize Laredo as a bargining unit. The first line says the company violated the law.
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Reading through the decision, it sounds similar to what happened with XAU. The company refused to start bargaining until the appeals were completed. I suppose it makes sense- if you're going to get hit with a ULP anyway for not bargaining once you appeal the first time, might as well wait all the way until the appeals are exhausted, especially if the penalty is simply having to go to the table and post a notice. Seems weird to force bargaining to start while appeals are outstanding, though.

Whatever. It's a meaningless event anyway.
 
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