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fatman said:
Every driver hired by FedEx goes through almost 2 weeks of training with company policy and expectations. I am baffled by pro union people saying the company screws them and all employees. FedEx makes you aware before you take your first load out . YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO QUIT BEFORE DELIVERING 1 OUNCE OF FREIGHT. Why you bring in a third party to divide,threaten, and otherwise demean your fellow drivers for their self-serving EXECUTIVE COUNCIL who will NEVER KNOW YOUR NAME BUT WILL TAKE YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY IN A HEARTBEAT is just plain old foolishness.
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You must not have been here long enough to see the change, fatman. It went from a Company that absolutely did NOT need Union representation, to a Company that did, in many locations. Do you not see WHY the pendulum as swung back the other way?

You can dislike the Teamsters if you must, and you're not alone, but only a fool doesn't recognize value of strong Unions. A Critical component to Capitalism, and based on sound principals. A quality Union represents the interest of it's members. Companies have the Chamber of Commerce, the ATA, etc, etc. Labor has Unions. Not every company needs that balance, but it's there if needed.

It's business fatman. Just business.
 
Purple Hammer said:
It is not on me as a driver or Fedex as a competing company to bolster the ranks of the Teamsters union. There are many reasons that your membership and the number of unionized carriers has declined so drastically. You may be able to pin some of it on the companies but a big role was played by the Teamsters. The Teamsters have a long history of corruption, violence, and making poor strategic moves. The USA is a nation founded on freedom and competition. As a worker I have the right to work without a union. Companies like Fedex will continue to bury the union competition because we make sustainable profits while the union competition does not. Get your own house in order rather than push the cancer on others.
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Since the union is so great at everything they do, I've always wondered why they haven't started their own LTL trucking company and ran the rest of us out of business??

To listen to their members speak, it's always the host company's fault, or Congress, or the markets, but nothing is ever the teamsters fault, they can do no wrong!! Could you imagine how successful they would be if they started their own company?? Hell, we'd all be lining up at the door begging for a job offering to pay double dues!!
 
fatman said:
As for your 1 million members with your so called superior benefits. Noboma gave the unions concessions and leg up help against rising medical costs.
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Actually, THAT shows a benefit of membership. Unions protected their membership on that topic.

fatman said:
Articles in NY TIMES,WASHINGTON POST AND CHICAGO SUN TIMES...
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Do a little research into the pension topic. It is sad, but there are several factors that led to the downfall of Central States. NY Times, WaPost, etc are not the best place for information on ANY topic. Regardless, you must know YOUR $$ was never destined for ANY pension fund.
 
Redracer3136 said:
you only have to have proof of support in the form of 30% of union cards signed. If 30% support is proven, an election will be held. It's the same process for a decertification election
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Fact check:
NO UNION will file without a significant majority of signed cards. The specific numbers is the Union's call. That is why the decert is easier. NLRB only requires 30%, to force a vote.
 
slavenomore said:
You could not beat New Penn before YRC bought us....fact.
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New Penn a small fish was bought by YRC a bigger fish. Fedex is the biggest fish in the LTL market and yes we would have beaten you either way. You were bragging about New Penns numbers using shorter trailers and other antiquated equipment. Failure to modernize and update to newer technology has been the downfall of many companies. Not spending on infrastructure and equipment bolsters short term profits at the expense of long term sustainability. I am glad that I work for a company that invests in the future. Most union members fail to realize this and its all about "me,me,me" with no regard for the long view for the company being around long term and growing. Look at how many union carriers are gone. Those are the facts whether you admit them or not.
 
Purple Hammer said:
New Penn a small fish was bought by YRC a bigger fish. Fedex is the biggest fish in the LTL market and yes we would have beaten you either way. You were bragging about New Penns numbers using shorter trailers and other antiquated equipment. Failure to modernize and update to newer technology has been the downfall of many companies. Not spending on infrastructure and equipment bolsters short term profits at the expense of long term sustainability. I am glad that I work for a company that invests in the future. Most union members fail to realize this and its all about "me,me,me" with no regard for the long view for the company being around long term and growing. Look at how many union carriers are gone. Those are the facts whether you admit them or not.
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I see first hand the results of 'modernizing".......nothing but a waste....for the people you follow to benefit from as the whole company of employees and the customers are not taken care of.
You are the new way....and too me...the new way sucks in every possible way....it really doesn't even take care of the customers....it only takes care of industry bigwigs...and banks.....just like the whole nation does.......$20 trillion in debt is the result. and you keep pushing for the exact things and following the same people and ideals who brought us here.
 
SwampRatt said:
Fact check:
NO UNION will file without a significant majority of signed cards. The specific numbers is the Union's call. That is why the decert is easier. NLRB only requires 30%, to force a vote.
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Regardless of what the union wants, the NLRB says 30%...that's the FACT, no check required!! Surely you didn't think CLT or EPH were dumb enough to file with just 30%, even though that's all that was required??
 
Purple Hammer said:
New Penn a small fish was bought by YRC a bigger fish. Fedex is the biggest fish in the LTL market and yes we would have beaten you either way. You were bragging about New Penns numbers using shorter trailers and other antiquated equipment. Failure to modernize and update to newer technology has been the downfall of many companies. Not spending on infrastructure and equipment bolsters short term profits at the expense of long term sustainability. I am glad that I work for a company that invests in the future. Most union members fail to realize this and its all about "me,me,me" with no regard for the long view for the company being around long term and growing. Look at how many union carriers are gone. Those are the facts whether you admit them or not.
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The union carriers are gone due to deregulation and nothing else.
And so too are a lot of nonunion carriers....because that's how the banks want it...they don't want long term companies....starting over gets rid of raises....and allows them to make workers start ovfer with less vacation and wages and such....FedEx is not invincible....they are about as invinsible as CCX or Conway or XPO logistics or whatever name they change to tomorrow.
 
Redracer3136 said:
Regardless of what the union wants, the NLRB says 30%...that's the FACT, no check required!! Surely you didn't think CLT or EPH were dumb enough to file with just 30%, even though that's all that was required??
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Why should there be a requirement at all?
I thought you like freedom and liberty?
Why should a vote be necessary at all?
Why can't the guys just join without the harassment by the unionbusters and company which we have seen here?
 
SwampRatt said:
Actually, THAT shows a benefit of membership. Unions protected their membership on that topic.
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Kicking the can down the road isn't necessarily "a benefit"!!

SwampRatt said:
Do a little research into the pension topic. It is sad, but there are several factors that led to the downfall of Central States. NY Times, WaPost, etc are not the best place for information on ANY topic. Regardless, you must know YOUR $$ was never destined for ANY pension fund.
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Certainly there's plenty of blame to go around but some claiming the union's tactics played no part is asinine to say the least.
 
Redracer3136 said:
We are a nation of laws...
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Yep this type of laws...and it takes us the same direction...which is why Sanders got so much support.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xi...nts/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum.html
3. In any case we clearly see, and on this there is general agreement, that some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class: for the ancient workingmen's guilds were abolished in the last century, and no other protective organization took their place. Public institutions and the laws set aside the ancient religion. Hence, by degrees it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition. The mischief has been increased by rapacious usury, which, although more than once condemned by the Church, is nevertheless, under a different guise, but with like injustice, still practiced by covetous and grasping men. To this must be added that the hiring of labor and the conduct of trade are concentrated in the hands of comparatively few; so that a small number of very rich men have been able to lay upon the teeming masses of the laboring poor a yoke little better than that of slavery itself.

4. To remedy these wrongs the socialists, working on the poor man's envy of the rich, are striving to do away with private property, and contend that individual possessions should become the common property of all, to be administered by the State or by municipal bodies. They hold that by thus transferring property from private individuals to the community, the present mischievous state of things will be set to rights, inasmuch as each citizen will then get his fair share of whatever there is to enjoy. But their contentions are so clearly powerless to end the controversy that were they carried into effect the working man himself would be among the first to suffer. They are, moreover, emphatically unjust, for they would rob the lawful possessor, distort the functions of the State, and create utter confusion in the community
 
slavenomore said:
The union carriers are gone due to deregulation and nothing else.
And so too are a lot of nonunion carriers....because that's how the banks want it...they don't want long term companies....starting over gets rid of raises....and allows them to make workers start ovfer with less vacation and wages and such....FedEx is not invincible....they are about as invinsible as CCX or Conway or XPO logistics or whatever name they change to tomorrow.
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That's the most asinine statement I've ever seen posted on TB! Please don't take that as a challenge.
 
slavenomore said:
Yep this type of laws...and it takes us the same direction...which is why Sanders got so much support.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xi...nts/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum.html
3. In any case we clearly see, and on this there is general agreement, that some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class: for the ancient workingmen's guilds were abolished in the last century, and no other protective organization took their place. Public institutions and the laws set aside the ancient religion. Hence, by degrees it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition. The mischief has been increased by rapacious usury, which, although more than once condemned by the Church, is nevertheless, under a different guise, but with like injustice, still practiced by covetous and grasping men. To this must be added that the hiring of labor and the conduct of trade are concentrated in the hands of comparatively few; so that a small number of very rich men have been able to lay upon the teeming masses of the laboring poor a yoke little better than that of slavery itself.

4. To remedy these wrongs the socialists, working on the poor man's envy of the rich, are striving to do away with private property, and contend that individual possessions should become the common property of all, to be administered by the State or by municipal bodies. They hold that by thus transferring property from private individuals to the community, the present mischievous state of things will be set to rights, inasmuch as each citizen will then get his fair share of whatever there is to enjoy. But their contentions are so clearly powerless to end the controversy that were they carried into effect the working man himself would be among the first to suffer. They are, moreover, emphatically unjust, for they would rob the lawful possessor, distort the functions of the State, and create utter confusion in the community
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Sorry, I don't buy into anything the Catholic's say, "the Pope" IS the ant-Christ...but that's another topic for another thread...
 
silent trucker said:
That's the most asinine statement I've ever seen posted on TB! Please don't take that as a challenge.
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Another factor which is not discussed as to why companies go out of business is that the family member who built the business retires or passes. fred's not getting any younger. Is his family taking over? New Penn was owned by a guy named Arnold....his kids didn't want to be in the business.....Wall st sees this....and the corporate world gets hold of companies an has them do studid things....They told New Penn that their success was awesome....but stagnant success is no good for growth!?????....So they were advised to sell to Roadway.
So when I hear somebody desiring growth....I hear another scammer trying to get something for himself at everybody else's expense......

Good chance when fred or his family leave FedEx......possibility of name changes and such do happen...quite regularly.
 
Redracer3136 said:
Sorry, I don't buy into anything the Catholic's say, "the Pope" IS the ant-Christ...but that's another topic for another thread...
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So I see your disunified desires for Christianity corresponds with your disunified desires for workers.
And it permeates Christianity and the workplaces of America......hence the $20 trillion debt and the moral mess we are in.
Weak Christianity begats a weak nation. And it shows.

But for some strange reason you think that rich people should be able to combine their monies and political voice whenever they choose....somehow this is good...
So good that we are $20 trillion in debt, losing our social security, and pensions....yep it's good.....but not for America or Americans.....just for a few.
 
slavenomore said:
Another factor which is not discussed as to why companies go out of business is that the family member who built the business retires or passes. fred's not getting any younger. Is his family taking over? New Penn was owned by a guy named Arnold....his kids didn't want to be in the business.....Wall st sees this....and the corporate world gets hold of companies an has them do studid things....They told New Penn that their success was awesome....but stagnant success is no good for growth!?????....So they were advised to sell to Roadway.
So when I hear somebody desiring growth....I hear another scammer trying to get something for himself at everybody else's expense......

Good chance when fred or his family leave FedEx......possibility of name changes and such do happen...quite regularly.
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Well, you took it as a challenge anyway. While there are examples of the younger generation failing to keep the company in good health (one being A-P-A Transport, North Bergen NJ), FedEx is a little big for this problem.

The main reason companies have failed under deregulation is a failure to adapt to said. The Teamsters have failed as an organization, because they have been in trucking longer than any of these companies. They should have foreseen the effects of deregulation, and worked with their employers to change the operations to meet the shippers and receivers needs. The fact that the nonunion company's have grown so much in the last 37 years, while the union carriers have either gone bankrupt or shrunk to a pittance of their once mighty footprint, is the fault of the union.

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slavenomore said:
So I see your disunified desires for Christianity corresponds with your disunified desires for workers.
And it permeates Christianity and the workplaces of America......hence the $20 trillion debt and the moral mess we are in.
Weak Christianity begats a weak nation. And it shows.

But for some strange reason you think that rich people should be able to combine their monies and political voice whenever they choose....somehow this is good...
So good that we are $20 trillion in debt, losing our social security, and pensions....yep it's good.....but not for America or Americans.....just for a few.
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I never said I wasn't a Christian, just said I don't believe anything the Catholics say...

Why are we $20 trillion in debt...entitlement programs (formerly known as welfare)!! Entitlement programs total over 63% of Govt spending every year and with almost 50% of households on some type of Govt assistance and the federal govt continuing to close trillion dollar plus deficits every year, entitlement spending will reach 90% of our GDP by 2022!! You want better healthcare, SS, and better pensions, get the 49% of Americans off the govt's nipple and force those who can to work in order to get assistance...but again, this is another topic for another thread!!
 
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