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Here, kid. I'm headed to bed. Educate yourself.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-another-low-wage-job/?utm_term=.d4ff1014e215

Union truck drivers used to earn the equivalent of almost $45 an hour before deregulation and your amazing corporate gang bang started. Let me know if you're anywhere near that, pls. Have a neato day!


First, I'm not a kid and after nearly 30 yrs in this industry, I'm very familiar with the industry that has brought me a good living. Especially compared to some of my family and friends.
Second, did you even read this article or just the 5-6 lines that you're deriving your statement from? That would be typical of someone who was uneducated but wanted to portray one on this website. This article was focused on the drivers that haul in and out of ports. That certainly isn't an equal comparison to the LTL market. Of the family and friends that I know who were running in the 70's, none of them were near that rate....including a couple uncles who were union drivers.
As I've said in previous posts, I don't claim to be an expert and I certainly will not spew out anything that is not fact based. Find another kids to peddle your BS to. You don't have to agree, but that certainly doesn't make you right.
BTW, get some rest and drive safe.
 
I know making 80- 90 grand a year seems like great money but you also have to realize your working the equivalent of two full jobs in total hours to obtain that amount. Your free time is also important . I’m mean no disrespect in saying this to guys who earn that amount. Things don’t have to be this way we hold the golden ticket right now.
 
First, I'm not a kid and after nearly 30 yrs in this industry, I'm very familiar with the industry that has brought me a good living. Especially compared to some of my family and friends.
Second, did you even read this article or just the 5-6 lines that you're deriving your statement from? That would be typical of someone who was uneducated but wanted to portray one on this website. This article was focused on the drivers that haul in and out of ports. That certainly isn't an equal comparison to the LTL market. Of the family and friends that I know who were running in the 70's, none of them were near that rate....including a couple uncles who were union drivers.
As I've said in previous posts, I don't claim to be an expert and I certainly will not spew out anything that is not fact based. Find another kids to peddle your BS to. You don't have to agree, but that certainly doesn't make you right.
BTW, get some rest and drive safe.
Benadryl hasn't kicked in yet. I did say equivalent to $45 per hour, as in real wages, adjusted for inflation. As in...if you made what they made back then in today's dollars, you'd be getting $45 per hour.

You wanted a more general scope? In 1980, the average trucker made 38k. If you made that today, adjusted for inflation, you'd make 111k.

https://www.overdriveonline.com/trucker-pay-has-plummeted-in-the-last-30-years-analyst-stays/

This is widely known. I don't know HOW you're saying that the corporocracy known as end-stage capitalism in ANY way benefits us. Competition? Pffft. One phone call on the topic of collusion saves both companies a lot of money.

Stop acting like unions aren't useful. You're still getting screwed, but if truckload carriers are any indication, without the existence of unions, you'd be utterly and unconscionably screwed.
 
Benadryl hasn't kicked in yet. I did say equivalent to $45 per hour, as in real wages, adjusted for inflation. As in...if you made what they made back then in today's dollars, you'd be getting $45 per hour.

You wanted a more general scope? In 1980, the average trucker made 38k. If you made that today, adjusted for inflation, you'd make 111k.

https://www.overdriveonline.com/trucker-pay-has-plummeted-in-the-last-30-years-analyst-stays/

This is widely known. I don't know HOW you're saying that the corporocracy known as end-stage capitalism in ANY way benefits us. Competition? Pffft. One phone call on the topic of collusion saves both companies a lot of money.

Stop acting like unions aren't useful. You're still getting screwed, but if truckload carriers are any indication, without the existence of unions, you'd be utterly and unconscionably screwed.[/
Say it
Say it! Now get some sleep
That compensation of $111k doesn’t even count the degradation of benefits and retirement accounts.
 
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They know .. you have it . Now use it!
 
I know making 80- 90 grand a year seems like great money but you also have to realize your working the equivalent of two full jobs in total hours to obtain that amount. Your free time is also important . I’m mean no disrespect in saying this to guys who earn that amount. Things don’t have to be this way we hold the golden ticket right now.

I agree with you. Work/life balance is horrible in this industry and certainly seems to be worse at XPO than other carriers. Frankly, 80-90K is a good living unless you live in an area that has a high cost of living. If you break that down to an hourly rate, no, it doesn't look as appealing when drivers are bumping their 70 every week. However, wages are always market based whether you are an hourly or salary employee. My brother is a police officer and I think it is a crime how little they make considering what they have to do. It will be interesting to see what XPO does in 2018 to compete with ODFL and FedEx wages.
As far as LTLAnonymous....there isn't a job around where you could compare their 1980 wages and have it equal inflation. Yes, I do believe deregulation benefited the industry but again, that's just my opinion. I also didn't state that all unions were useless. In our industry, the Teamsters are not needed like they were back in the day when drivers had no rights and there were no employment laws. Had they operated like a business and did not have all the corruption that helped to decimate them, it might be a different story. No secret, I am obviously not a Teamster fan. I do not need a 3rd party to suck up my hard earned dollars just to try and speak for me. Again, just my opinion which doesn't make me right or wrong.
 
I agree with you. Work/life balance is horrible in this industry and certainly seems to be worse at XPO than other carriers. Frankly, 80-90K is a good living unless you live in an area that has a high cost of living. If you break that down to an hourly rate, no, it doesn't look as appealing when drivers are bumping their 70 every week. However, wages are always market based whether you are an hourly or salary employee. My brother is a police officer and I think it is a crime how little they make considering what they have to do. It will be interesting to see what XPO does in 2018 to compete with ODFL and FedEx wages.
As far as LTLAnonymous....there isn't a job around where you could compare their 1980 wages and have it equal inflation. Yes, I do believe deregulation benefited the industry but again, that's just my opinion. I also didn't state that all unions were useless. In our industry, the Teamsters are not needed like they were back in the day when drivers had no rights and there were no employment laws. Had they operated like a business and did not have all the corruption that helped to decimate them, it might be a different story. No secret, I am obviously not a Teamster fan. I do not need a 3rd party to suck up my hard earned dollars just to try and speak for me. Again, just my opinion which doesn't make me right or wrong.
Don’t agree with everything you wrote but I do with some . I respect your opion.
 
Executive pay matches up quite nicely to its 1980 counterpart. Lol $1.5 million to 16.3 million. An increase of nearly 1,000 percent.

I would think businesses could afford to pay their workers a bit more if they didn't have those ticks feeding off them.
Awe come on it’s all gone trickle down. Just like the tax break their about to get. The sheep are convinced
 
Ha..."nice story?" You did not refute any of the facts above. And yes, those are facts that we have seen in multiple markets. I do know that when my family was behind the wheel before deregulation, they were NOT making 80-90K which is easy to hit when running PM LH and getting some dock hours.
XPO looks to OD when reviewing compensation, not YRC or ABF. I've seen enough pocket picking by OD in particular because they are smart about recruiting....longer miles and no dock time in particular. The only thing that a non-union company worries about when it comes to the union is the restrictive work regs which if not negotiated would hurt their freight flow and hub operations. My friends at Holland can attest to that.

Sucker666, you're right. However UPS is a little different animal since they have their own contract. They also have very deep pockets thanks to the package side that YRC and ABF do not. Yes, they work hard but I agree, we work just as hard or harder. I didn't say anything about how hard anybody does or does not work.
I wasn’t implying you said anything about how hard we work vs a ups driver only that it the first defense someone will throw out their in the comparison .
 
They WERE a necessary evil before open market competition and federal laws that protect workers. Non-union companies do not adjust their compensation packages based on the union because that is not comparing apples to apples. They are looking at the other non-union carries who are keeping the pay rates moving up. When there are not enough drivers available on the market, XPO, ODFL, FDX, etc are all competing against each other. A CDL holder with a clean driving record and no major issues can choose which company aligns better with their needs. Longer runs, night runs, no dock time, etc.....
No union is needed for these opportunities.
History always repeats itself maybe not LTL, but unionized trucking will be back. Sysco learning that the hard way now.
 
Ha..."nice story?" You did not refute any of the facts above. And yes, those are facts that we have seen in multiple markets. I do know that when my family was behind the wheel before deregulation, they were NOT making 80-90K which is easy to hit when running PM LH and getting some dock hours.
XPO looks to OD when reviewing compensation, not YRC or ABF. I've seen enough pocket picking by OD in particular because they are smart about recruiting....longer miles and no dock time in particular. The only thing that a non-union company worries about when it comes to the union is the restrictive work regs which if not negotiated would hurt their freight flow and hub operations. My friends at Holland can attest to that.

Sucker666, you're right. However UPS is a little different animal since they have their own contract. They also have very deep pockets thanks to the package side that YRC and ABF do not. Yes, they work hard but I agree, we work just as hard or harder. I didn't say anything about how hard anybody does or does not work.
Please explain I’m a Holland driver. Scott Ware brought in the velocity bulshit and disrupted Holland’s kick and pick operations it wasn’t broken.
 
Ha..."nice story?" You did not refute any of the facts above. And yes, those are facts that we have seen in multiple markets. I do know that when my family was behind the wheel before deregulation, they were NOT making 80-90K which is easy to hit when running PM LH and getting some dock hours.
XPO looks to OD when reviewing compensation, not YRC or ABF. I've seen enough pocket picking by OD in particular because they are smart about recruiting....longer miles and no dock time in particular. The only thing that a non-union company worries about when it comes to the union is the restrictive work regs which if not negotiated would hurt their freight flow and hub operations. My friends at Holland can attest to that.

Sucker666, you're right. However UPS is a little different animal since they have their own contract. They also have very deep pockets thanks to the package side that YRC and ABF do not. Yes, they work hard but I agree, we work just as hard or harder. I didn't say anything about how hard anybody does or does not work.
YRCW still brings in billions if wasn’t for merger then recession profits would be thru the roof. Work rules didn’t bring them down.
 
I agree with you. Work/life balance is horrible in this industry and certainly seems to be worse at XPO than other carriers. Frankly, 80-90K is a good living unless you live in an area that has a high cost of living. If you break that down to an hourly rate, no, it doesn't look as appealing when drivers are bumping their 70 every week. However, wages are always market based whether you are an hourly or salary employee. My brother is a police officer and I think it is a crime how little they make considering what they have to do. It will be interesting to see what XPO does in 2018 to compete with ODFL and FedEx wages.
As far as LTLAnonymous....there isn't a job around where you could compare their 1980 wages and have it equal inflation. Yes, I do believe deregulation benefited the industry but again, that's just my opinion. I also didn't state that all unions were useless. In our industry, the Teamsters are not needed like they were back in the day when drivers had no rights and there were no employment laws. Had they operated like a business and did not have all the corruption that helped to decimate them, it might be a different story. No secret, I am obviously not a Teamster fan. I do not need a 3rd party to suck up my hard earned dollars just to try and speak for me. Again, just my opinion which doesn't make me right or wrong.
What’s 54.00 a month I **** that away in three days running open board. Most employment laws is geared towards non trucking.
 
What’s 54.00 a month I **** that away in three days running open board. Most employment laws is geared towards non trucking.
Go to the labor board or any other government agency federal or state and they don’t want to here your woes unless you have an contractual agreement that was violated. State and federal work rules were written in large part by and for corporations and most of the older laws on the books deal minimum wages and work hour limits and Basic civil rights . We had guys try to go to these agencies with problems before we voted to unionize and were told your employment is “at will” and your on your own. No bs. Unless your civil rights are being violated good luck with that route.
 
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