Actually I came in right after you voted in all the concessions. So basically I am living with the mistakes from last contract that I didn’t have a vote in. I’ve waited my 2 years to get a weeks vacation Hopefully it won’t happen again. I’ve saved my money since day 1 so if we need to strike to get what we want, then I’m ready.Well hell, I guess you stuck around and worked under the crappy contract for 5 lousy years....hmmm, couldn't find anything better or tell me why you still hanging around after I ruined your job? I'm ready to strike on the vacation issue if necessary, and your ready to strike period, so we sorta agree and we may get the chance to see the smoke and ashes. I didn't like it, but the Union never would authorize a strike on the last deal and dragged it out for months. I'm hoping if they deadlock on anything in these talks they call for a strike immediately
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I guess you earned the name "Turncoat"Well hell, I guess you stuck around and worked under the crappy contract for 5 lousy years....hmmm, couldn't find anything better or tell me why you still hanging around after I ruined your job? I'm ready to strike on the vacation issue if necessary, and your ready to strike period, so we sorta agree and we may get the chance to see the smoke and ashes. I didn't like it, but the Union never would authorize a strike on the last deal and dragged it out for months. I'm hoping if they deadlock on anything in these talks they call for a strike immediately
Carhaul is specialized and you guys have more bargaining power than us regular old freight truckers, but I am glad you got a good agreement. We got too many non-union freight haulers in the market and ABF Freight has become a subsidiary entity of ArcBest Corp., so ABF can go bye-bye and ArcBest just drops about two gears and keeps chugging along with their non-asset based contractors, so we are in a little more adversarial environment, but hopefully the Union can get us a decent deal to vote on. If I understood your post correctly, it sounded kinda weird how the Union seemed to threaten you guys with a strike, but never threatened the Companies with one! Kinda take it or leave it, it sounds like? But it sounds like you got a good deal over all.
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I got dubbed Turncoat leaving YRC after 25 yrs. I ruined that outfit and now I'm working on ABF. Few get to destroy two companies in one career, however, I have friends that have destroyed 5...even 6 or more...
so, how in the h&ll they shore up those non union assets..with the concessions that guys like you voted on? I kind of like that name for you....
TurnCoat...how fitting
not too funny!I got dubbed Turncoat leaving YRC after 25 yrs. I ruined that outfit and now I'm working on ABF. Few get to destroy two companies in one career, however, I have friends that have destroyed 5...even 6 or more...
Yeah I single handedly negotiated and voted in this
ty contract to make you miserable, but your Union would not authorize a strike! The corporate billionaires were ready to float YRC a loan to buy ABF out if there had been a strike and those that had enough seniority to hold a position there would have went under that wonderful contract. It was a fiasco! Hopefully this pension legislation will pass and force YRC back to full contributions in 2019. I think we will get our vacation back, but there may be some trade off. We'll see. You can vote your conscience then, and I can vote mine. Good luck!I thought it was hilarious, but, I'm a little twisted in the head, but at ABF I find I
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was this actually supposed to be a serious discussion? I just come here to bullshit!
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I got dubbed Turncoat leaving YRC after 25 yrs. I ruined that outfit and now I'm working on ABF. Few get to destroy two companies in one career, however, I have friends that have destroyed 5...even 6 or more...
Hallo!..........Only TWO companies?....Pshaw!..........Five or six?..........Whompfh!.............I am Canaryinthemine!,....and I had....
Gateway, Motor Freight, Werner-Continental, Hall's , Maislin, Mason-Dixon, Automobile Transport, Nu-Car Carriers, and M & G Convoy close under me,....( ...or I got laid off as they were drawing down...).......in the 10 years before I became an O/O.
I figured that,...as my own boss,...I couldn't lay myself off. After 9 years as an O/O, and three trucks,......I realized I had the worst boss ever,.....and no pension, to boot.......People ask me: "What was it like, being an O/O?"....and I tell'em the same thing:
"It's cheaper and less painful to buy a ball peen hammer, and strike yourself in the forehead everytime you think about owning a truck..."
(....You're Welcome for that sagacious advice....)
Notice I had about 5 years of carhauling companies in that list.........
About 25 years ago I drove my own tractor onto ABF's lot here in Gbg, Pa. and asked for a job...........Got it due to the fact that the Operations Supervisor used to work with me at Motor Freight......
I didn't ruin ABF before I retired,.......Maybe I broke the albatross curse I thought I had............
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I informed the Fort on their in house pre-negotiatians survey that my YES vote could be purchased with a simple return to the old vacation schedule, a $2.50 raise over a 5 year contract ($0.50/yr.) with all else remaining the same. I would be willing to pay 10%-15% higher co-pays on medical but NO insurance premium payments deducted from my pay, EVER! TM bought us pizza for a PEICE of our mind. I told our business agent at the union meeting I could NOT vote for anything less. That's going to amount to a little more than the $1K bonuses that a lot of major corporations are handing out since the tax reform passed, and they won't have to GIVE it to me, I'll EARN it!......So....I will settle for NO less. Hopefully a strike vote won't have to be authorized to get these reasonable increases, but THEY MUST pull that much out of their pockets. NO CONCESSIONS, AND ENFORCEABLE LIMITS ON SUBCONTRACTORS IN 2018!
When you're talking about co-pays,....I presume you mean what you pay the doctor at the time of visit.
Many non-Union companies "charge" their employees a weekly/monthly "co-pay",.....merely to maintain their "healthcare" plan. Total Farce!
If that money was truly going to your...."healthcare"....you'd be sending a check to your healthcare provider,....not having your employer surcharging your paycheck. Funny at the non-Union companies that,....just when they get a pay raise,....within a few weeks, their "health insurance" co-pay goes up......
All about controlling labor costs......which many in the non-Unions are too blind to see.......
I think you'll probably agree that insurance "co-pays" to your employer are one of the biggest shuck'n'jives foisted on working people, nowadays.....
Exactly! BA told us the health plan was solid and would probably be OK at the Employer'a current contribution rate, however, they can only negotiate the rates they pay the Drs. to a certain degree. So to keep the premiums the Company has to pay (which are steep now) at the same levels, we might be asked to pay more at our Dr. visits. Dr. has overhead too. I'll hear that argument, to get our vacation back and a token raise, maybe not a slam dunk win, but a legit compromise.
Congratulations on your retirement, you earned it! Too bad for all them companies you had to ruin along the way, but they probably had it coming to em' anyhow. How classy of you to drive your rig to ABF to apply for a job, bet you got them to buy the truck too, or at least asked them to make you an offer!
Been saving for 30...and been on strike...not sure our Union knows how to do one anymore? But I promise you....I'm ready and willing if necessary
Well, best I remember, they borrowed about 1/2 the money....me and my cronnies just gave them the other 1/2 with a lot of help from our Union!
Well yes we are different than freight BUT how many non's carhaul do you see ever day? Basically we only have 2 union carhaul units plus 1 driveaway so I think that's a wash on power,car companies don't care about if it's on a union rig or not and the non's can under cut us at any time. The only power we have is when the car compaines get backed up with a big release the non's can't handle it so we get that freight back for awhile until it's cleaned up, then back to the non's. The union didn't threaten with a strike since they never took a strike vote to begin with. They knew it would pass since the improved on all area's of the contract that we told them we wanted in the first place, Smoke and mirror's from both sides,the usual dog and pony show because they thought we would take concessions. Any ways good luck and Happy trailst
I'm waiting to hear some news on the controversial parts of the negotiations before getting excited. But I'm looking for a 10% wage increase in the first year, our weeks vacation returned, and red circle elimination. If those three items are not offered, then I vote no and there is no sense continuing negotiations.
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Don't forget that the companies' Pension and H & W contributions are negotiated as one figure, with increases same as wage increases. It's a separate set of negotiations with whoever is your H & W insurer,.....and whichever type of Pension fund you are in.
Basically,.....except for paying the contractually negotiated rate,.......the employer has nothing to do with H & W ,....or solvency of the pension, for that matter. If the doctors under the insurance umbrella decide they want more money, they have to negotiate THEIR contract with the insurer........and then the insurer would have to re-negotiate THEIR contract with the Union for group coverage.
Pretty much all H & W plans with Unions are solvent. Pension plans have their own special problem of paying benefits to people who are no longer in the Union,....( and are no longer having contributions paid by their employer..)........and also paying ..."orphans"... ( ..a term I find rather obtuse...)....and spouse survivors.
Multi-Employer pensions were predicated on the idea......50 years ago,...... that many employers would be around for,....oh,...say...50 or so, years. Then came deregulation...........
ABF is going to have to decide whether to ...underfund troubled pensions and let them "die on the vine", as it were.......Not a viable option if you want to hire and keep employees....
Or,.....whether to "bite the bullet",......and financially support these troubled funds....whatever it takes to prevent a loss of benefits,......until such a time as the demographics finally straighten out,....inasmuch as the topheavy-with-older seniority boards finally, through attrition,.....get a majority of younger employees who will have 20, or more years of contributions before they consider retiring. That may take a decade. It will happen, though.......
"Orphans"......Everybody demonizes them,.........as you can see above,.....I'm an..."orphan"....to 9 carriers. When I was employed by them, I had contributions made in my name. They went out of business through no fault of my own. There should be no pension penalty for ..."orphans"....
Well there is legislation in the pipe to shore up these pension plans, however the Government shall attach some strings for sure, but what could possibly go wrong? I have an idea what they're probably going to do, but that's another discussion.
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Yes, we've been working on a political option, too.
But it requires that all parties involved put aside hissy fits,.......and act more....."Senatorial "......
But it requires that all parties involved put aside hissy fits,.......and act more....."Senatorial "......