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runawaytrain said:
Not true. Most of those policies have been changed. Because you don’t work here you wouldn’t know that. The 3 year probation policy was dropped. We can eat and drink. Many drivers have CB’s in their trucks and the company allows them as long as you use good judgment. Cell phones are not allowed nor are Bluetooths but most have them anyway. The company is not as bad as you guys want to believe.
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Guess I was mistaken, thought I been reading for 3 months on the Saia site ( why the massive turnover will
continue) never heard this much complaining in the army.
I bet all your drivers that quit will come begging for their job back. " smile, you're on candid camera"
And yes, you are right, I don't work for your company, and very thankful I didn't.
I also think your company has done very well without a bunch of steering wheel holders running the show.
Now do your part and watch out for stop signs, another one could be embarrassing for you!
 
Dick Dastardly said:
Matthew 7:1-5
Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
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Unless you’ve changed you’re nothing but a self righteous hypocrite hiding behind scripture. Lip service won’t save you brother. The church won’t either. You must live it 24/7 in everything you do. That’s how you show faith in the man above. We all are sinners. Some are just worse than others. I don’t judge you brother. I’m not in the God business. My opinion doesn’t matter anyway in the big picture.
 
Dick Dastardly said:
Matthew 7:1-5
Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
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seabreeze said:
Guess I was mistaken, thought I been reading for 3 months on the Saia site ( why the massive turnover will
continue) never heard this much complaining in the army.
I bet all your drivers that quit will come begging for their job back. " smile, you're on candid camera"
And yes, you are right, I don't work for your company, and very thankful I didn't.
I also think your company has done very well without a bunch of steering wheel holders running the show.
Now do your part and watch out for stop signs, another one could be embarrassing for you!
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I can’t deny what you’re saying but at the same time just look at the union forums and the discontent that exist there as well. Nothing is perfect but SAIA does listen to us and has made many changes without the need for a third party. You would have to work here to understand the non-union culture. It’s not for everyone but it does work well enough to keep us union free for almost 100 years. The Teamsters have came knocking several times throughout our history and we have always decided they were not in our best interest. I will now leave this thread because I don’t belong here. I don’t work here and my opinions just bring out my haters and Southeastern doesn’t deserve to read such nonsense.
 
Abf.road driver ,I read some of the post about the union. I have worked for
runawaytrain said:
I can’t deny what you’re saying but at the same time just look at the union forums and the discontent that exist there as well. Nothing is perfect but SAIA does listen to us and has made many changes without the need for a third party. You would have to work here to understand the non-union culture. It’s not for everyone but it does work well enough to keep us union free for almost 100 years. The Teamsters have came knocking several times throughout our history and we have always decided they were not in our best interest. I will now leave this thread because I don’t belong here. I don’t work here and my opinions just bring out my haters and Southeastern doesn’t deserve to read such nonsense.
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union and nonunion. There many hidden benefits being in the union. With our free benefits package. We are still paid well. They can not use cameras to discipline us per contract and supervision must treat us with respect at the terminal.I PAY 50.00 per month dues. Abf. Pays per week. ,350.00 for my family insurance and 350.00 for my retirement. Let we know what your company pays, I bet they do not tell you on the good oboy system.
 
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gravytrain1 said:
Abf.road driver ,I read some of the post about the union. I have worked for


union and nonunion. There many hidden benefits being in the union. With our free benefits package. We are still paid well. They can not use cameras to discipline us per contract and supervision must treat us with respect at the terminal.I PAY 50.00 per month dues. Abf. Pays per week. ,350.00 for my family insurance and 350.00 for my retirement. Let we know what your company pays, I bet they do not tell you on the good oboy system.
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Ahh, here we get to the bottom line. Union carriers pay better. Sefl only contributes to retirement if I contribute and even then it’s not nearly as much as the 350 at abf. 10% match at .50 for every dollar I put in. No OT ever. Not sure on the insurance, but let me assure you I pay much more out of pocket than union guys. It’s also true that sefl never has had a layoff, but they starve everyone when it’s slow. Our equipment and facilities are better than unions, but why do I come to work? I don’t come to work for a newer truck or trailer or a prettier building; I come to work for money. Show us the money! Oh wait, you won’t unless forced to by a union. The company attitude of “if you don’t like then leave it” makes me want a union. They won’t even talk with us about fixing the compensation gap when it’s brought up. Open door policy?
 
runawaytrain said:
I can’t deny what you’re saying but at the same time just look at the union forums and the discontent that exist there as well. Nothing is perfect but SAIA does listen to us and has made many changes without the need for a third party. You would have to work here to understand the non-union culture. It’s not for everyone but it does work well enough to keep us union free for almost 100 years. The Teamsters have came knocking several times throughout our history and we have always decided they were not in our best interest. I will now leave this thread because I don’t belong here. I don’t work here and my opinions just bring out my haters and Southeastern doesn’t deserve to read such nonsense.
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Unlike many I support opinions being expressed as long as they are based in fact and not manufactured truths (lies) people come up with when they begin losing an argument. Post all you like as long as it’s tasteful. How boring would this board be without opinions? What I don’t like is the busters and IBT goons that can’t tolerate an opposing point of view and work to shout it to death.
 
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art1915 said:
When will you wake up and realize it's time we had a union. The time is now and things are getting worse. Micromanage everything, open door policy pretty much gets people fired . Survey is just SEFL's Marketing Tool. They do what they want !
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you are correct. We do need a union. Protection from these heartless gutless kids we grab from college and program to be unfeeling uncaring company tools
 
LTLIndentured said:
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you are correct. We do need a union. Protection from these heartless gutless kids we grab from college and program to be unfeeling uncaring company tools
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I love when a new college graduate supervisor comes in and tries to push out there chest. I just laughed in a new dock supervisors face when I came in from my fast turn and he was telling me after I parked my truck I need to get up on the dock and help. I laughed at him, signed in on the linehaul sheet and went home. I'm guessing he won't ask that again.


I agree that a union probably would be a good thing but most likely will never happen. Our barn in 12 years have never bided on P&D start times even though it's like that at almost every other terminal. Our new SCM called corporate and they told him that we were supposed to be doing that the entire time. Some of the lazy drivers are all up in arms about it. They are given the easier routes because management knew they wouldn't work while some of the more senior guys were given the crap runs because they knew they would get it done. Not that it'll affect me personally but it'll be fun to watch the lazier drivers actually have to work for once.
 
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reknilp said:
I love when a new college graduate supervisor comes in and tries to push out there chest. I just laughed in a new dock supervisors face when I came in from my fast turn and he was telling me after I parked my truck I need to get up on the dock and help. I laughed at him, signed in on the linehaul sheet and went home. I'm guessing he won't ask that again.


I agree that a union probably would be a good thing but most likely will never happen. Our barn in 12 years have never bided on P&D start times even though it's like that at almost every other terminal. Our new SCM called corporate and they told him that we were supposed to be doing that the entire time. Some of the lazy drivers are all up in arms about it. They are given the easier routes because management knew they wouldn't work while some of the more senior guys were given the crap runs because they knew they would get it done. Not that it'll affect me personally but it'll be fun to watch the lazier drivers actually have to work for once.
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He probably needs dock help because he can’t keep people due to the way he treats them.
 
runawaytrain said:
Rick O’dell our CEO gave us $1.05 hr. this year in P&D and the line is up to 66cpm in the Dallas region.. Top pay in Dallas is $27.22. The N.E. is even higher. I pay $12 weekly (Single) for healthcare and we haven’t had an increase in almost 10 years. A family man pays $35.50 weekly for healthcare. 6% match on 401K .. All jury duty time is paid at our full rate even if it’s weeks. 2 days for Thanksgiving and Christmas paid in full plus all the other major holidays. Free healthcare after 10 years of service. 5 personal days per year. One week of vacation after 1 year of service and 2 weeks after 2 years of service. What does ABF offer in regards to vacation? We drive some of the newest trucks in any LTL fleet. We have won so many safety awards in this industry that I can’t even count them all. The added job security that a contract brings isn’t even a consideration because as long as you do your job safely you won't be fired. We may be hired “at will” but you damn near have to kill someone to lose your job here .... especially with the driver shortage. Now we have the great pension the Teamsters bring that may or may not be there in the end for many of the junior guys now. And cuts are looming for the senior level guys. We are treated more than fair and have no need for a third party. They would just drain our efficiency with restrictive work rules and protection for workers that don’t pull their weight. The Teamsters have an outdated business model that can’t compete with the nons. If we need a supervisor to jump on a forklift to help us reach cut times then that’s what happens. Our supervisors spot trailers. They do what it takes to get the job done. I think we all know how things operate at a Teamsters barn. Totally inefficient and workers that grieve things so petty that it makes me sick. Thanks, but no thanks. And in closing our employee handbook is on our employee portal for all to see. We know what is expected and act accordingly.
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Wow! I guess everything in Texas is bigger, including the Bull! I guess the SAIA cool aid there is much better. Not saying that the pay and benefits aren’t good ( middle of the road for LTL carriers) but the crap you have to put up with to get that is the worst I’ve ever seen. Send some of your positive company man juice to the southeast area please.
 
Dick Dastardly said:
And yes, Southeastern needs a Union. All LTL's should be unionized.
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Highly disagree with Southeastern needing a union. I've been with this company for a few years now and although i did like the prior leadership, the new leadership is really personable, they listen to us and I've even heard from a few other fellow drivers that they are starting to hold people accountable - in the right way. I've heard all the "selling" points from other companies that say they have culture and they really care about the people, but they don't always follow through. Well this company continues to get better and just hearing the stories of how the owners continue to look out for the best interest of the people is amazing. This company strives to make sure their people are well taken care of, and that's a HUGE reason why this company has NEVER (let me repeat that for you).....NEVER laid anyone off, never cut pay, never cut benefits. No company is perfect, but this company at least tries their very BEST to live up to their Christian based values because they know it's not just about the associate, but also their loved ones! This is a big reason they continue to find new ways to ensure safety is a top priority, and i appreciate that - as my wife and kids expect me to come home every day and provide for them.

So please have your facts in order before you start stating that Southeastern needs a union, because I continue to live with the company each day, and you sir or ma'am DO NOT speak for those here that know the true culture at Southeastern. You can walk right into the Manager's office right now and have a great conversation or express your concerns and they would listen to you and at least look into your concerns.

Sounds to me like you are one of those people who like to complain and not bring any solutions to the table to help make this great company better.....and doing that doesn't take much effort. Because i can tell you right now that if you even tried to bring a union to Southeastern, up to 80% or more will tell you to take your complaints somewhere else! The owners and senior leadership visit all service centers every year and they even conduct an annual survey that measures how happy their people are. Sounds like a company that wants to know what their people are thinking and how they feel - and not scared to find out.

I can debate this with you all day and have many friends at Southeastern that i know disagree with your lack of facts to support such a vague and false statements.

Matter of fact what are you paying for when you get unions? We have laws now that protect the people. Safe work environment? That's what OSHA is for! Discrimination? Laws protect the people from that too! Pay? Well a union can offer more pay, but doesn't mean you will keep all of your vacation time. Just because a union offers you benefits, they still have to "negotiate" terms. Negotiate doesn't mean they have the power to make changes you think they have. The employer doesn't have to agree to those terms and even if you get more pay, you might lose in other areas you didn't want to. So please enlighten me as to how the union has decreased in membership SIGNIFICANTLY over the years, but seem to be a good deal for the people. Seems to me like the people have left them because they started to remove the wool from over their eyes and realized that union dues could be better off in their pockets - rather than wasted on stuff they aren't really paying for!
 
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Redskins said:
I believe the SDI numbers are fabricated. I really lost faith in the results at our terminal. Record setting highs when most guys, at least said, they gave the SCM the worst rating since he had been at our terminal. SDI survey is a complete waste of my time and the companies time.
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Actually you are wrong about these being fabricated. I have a friend that works at another terminal and they had to redo the entire survey because the lock box seals were broken. That's how serious the owners take these surveys!
 
joes bar and grill said:
You get work rules that are written on paper and not a computer portal and can't be changed to fit the occasion, you get protection from unfair termination, the rules apply equally to everybody, not just the chosen few, there's more but you get it,
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Actually i don't get it. I've had a few write ups in my time with Southeastern an my supervisor actually treated me with dignity and respect AND made me feel like he had my back! I also got the re-training i needed to help me get better and he also helped me understand that what i do was important to him and teammates. Based on the reports i get from my supervisor and the pats on the back for a "good job," i think knowing that they are holding everyone accountable is FAIR TO EVERYONE! At least i feel better that even though I'm one of the top performers there, that they still value me enough to want to see me get better. And it shows me that they are holding the "underachievers" accountable as well. And when i didn't agree with some things i had questions on, they got the Manager involved and we all met and discussed my concerns privately. So in my experience the rules do apply to everyone, and if i am terminated it surely will not be because they did not try to help me get better. So i will highly and respectfully disagree with your assessment of Southeastern......and continue to provide you further facts that a union will ruin our culture and NOT make it better! I've got a lot more to post on this subject, but will save everyone the 2000 pages of reading on "why Southeastern is like family" and not just a business!!!!
 
truckinglife said:
Actually i don't get it. I've had a few write ups in my time with Southeastern an my supervisor actually treated me with dignity and respect AND made me feel like he had my back! I also got the re-training i needed to help me get better and he also helped me understand that what i do was important to him and teammates. Based on the reports i get from my supervisor and the pats on the back for a "good job," i think knowing that they are holding everyone accountable is FAIR TO EVERYONE! At least i feel better that even though I'm one of the top performers there, that they still value me enough to want to see me get better. And it shows me that they are holding the "underachievers" accountable as well. And when i didn't agree with some things i had questions on, they got the Manager involved and we all met and discussed my concerns privately. So in my experience the rules do apply to everyone, and if i am terminated it surely will not be because they did not try to help me get better. So i will highly and respectfully disagree with your assessment of Southeastern......and continue to provide you further facts that a union will ruin our culture and NOT make it better! I've got a lot more to post on this subject, but will save everyone the 2000 pages of reading on "why Southeastern is like family" and not just a business!!!!
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You're right you don't get it.
 
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