TForce | Why Did You Come To Work At "o"

With all the ga-ga of the Indy contract,one has to ask "Why did you come to work at Overnite in the first place" ? You obviously knew from the get go that it was a non-union shop. I know I have had alot of disagreements with my sups,told them to kiss my rear and went about my business. Why didn't you go to work for another company that is/was under the NMFA ? I thought for a while that representation might be a good thing,but, I represent myself just fine without help. I have friends with some of the other non-union LTL's and with the exception of FDX and Conway,we are the highest paid. The job really is pretty easy for what we make. Give me a straight answer WITHOUT propaganda.

i'll be damn, we still work for overnite , $hit i better wake up here i must have missed a memo. another thing,could you later for us tell us how your self representation is going,keep us posted in the near future, that would be awesome, also telling us your job is easy, i want to work at your barn. says alot for your management.

mr.breeze said:

With all the ga-ga of the Indy contract,one has to ask "Why did you come to work at Overnite in the first place" ? You obviously knew from the get go that it was a non-union shop. I know I have had alot of disagreements with my sups,told them to kiss my rear and went about my business. Why didn't you go to work for another company that is/was under the NMFA ? I thought for a while that representation might be a good thing,but, I represent myself just fine without help. I have friends with some of the other non-union LTL's and with the exception of FDX and Conway,we are the highest paid. The job really is pretty easy for what we make. Give me a straight answer WITHOUT propaganda.

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There will still be plenty of non-union barns to choose from if that's what youre really looking for.

The "nons" like the self-thinkers like yourself.
Its obvious you're not union material and couldn't fit on the team.

Those that choose to come to work for a non-union company becasue it is non-union are the hardcore union haters, the holyer than thou's, the free sprited a$$ kissers that need the freedom to undercut or overstep their fellow workers in the quest for self gratification, usally for the sake of an extra couple of bucks.

Like I said before, there will be plenty of bottom feeder companies left for you to run too because you are threatened by the union's existence. Remeber this if you want to be the best, you need to act like the best.

Oh ya by the way, pro-propaganda works the same way as anti-propaganda, only opposite

mr.breeze said:

With all the ga-ga of the Indy contract,one has to ask "Why did you come to work at Overnite in the first place" ? You obviously knew from the get go that it was a non-union shop. I know I have had alot of disagreements with my sups,told them to kiss my rear and went about my business. Why didn't you go to work for another company that is/was under the NMFA ? I thought for a while that representation might be a good thing,but, I represent myself just fine without help. I have friends with some of the other non-union LTL's and with the exception of FDX and Conway,we are the highest paid. The job really is pretty easy for what we make. Give me a straight answer WITHOUT propaganda.

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I didnt come to work for "O". I went to work for MC, then had O shoved upon us. Imagine how we felt when we became UPS, it was like, man, we are going to be some kind of LTL animal. Then the dissalusionment set in when they let O run the whole thing(fiasco). I still hold out hope that someday UPS, the real UPS I mean, will step in and get rid of the managers and decision makers from O and get this company on the track to greatness.

mr.breeze said:

With all the ga-ga of the Indy contract,one has to ask "Why did you come to work at Overnite in the first place" ? You obviously knew from the get go that it was a non-union shop. I know I have had alot of disagreements with my sups,told them to kiss my rear and went about my business. Why didn't you go to work for another company that is/was under the NMFA ? I thought for a while that representation might be a good thing,but, I represent myself just fine without help. I have friends with some of the other non-union LTL's and with the exception of FDX and Conway,we are the highest paid. The job really is pretty easy for what we make. Give me a straight answer WITHOUT propaganda.

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I too, once held this belief. But you have to realize that there has always been a desire to unionize this company and you knew that coming in as well. You're not being honest with yourself if you think that all who work here have been happy with the current situation. And remember the 50% plus one rule. That also applies to our presidential elections so sometimes, you might like one guy only to have someone else "shoved down your throat". It's just the way it is and you have to respect the majority rule.

Perhaps with your self representation, you might have done more in terms of improving conditions for others and we wouldn't be here right now.

But the bottom line and the most important thing to remember is that this whole union thing is 100% controlled by UPS and what they want. If they didn't want us to go union, then they would have simply given us what Indy has in their contract and there would be no incentive to vote in the teamsters. I knew a long time ago that I really had no say in this and that it's going to be done how UPS wants it done.

And I agree with the other guys comment about the a$$ kissing and self representation. I've done that for quite some time and I have grown tired of it because that stuff only lasts as long as your last time you strapped on your knee pads. My point is that they have short memories and don't remember how many times you were there for them and how many times you put your family second to their needs. I'm pretty excited about the prospects of having security with this job without having a great relationship with the clowns on the other side of the window. I'm a professional and I will continue to come in and do my job accordingly. What management thinks of me personally just won't matter anymore.

And for the record, I have never strapped on knee pads. That was just used to make a point. The truth is that I'm short enough that I never needed them.

mr.breeze said:

With all the ga-ga of the Indy contract,one has to ask "Why did you come to work at Overnite in the first place" ? You obviously knew from the get go that it was a non-union shop. I know I have had alot of disagreements with my sups,told them to kiss my rear and went about my business. Why didn't you go to work for another company that is/was under the NMFA ? I thought for a while that representation might be a good thing,but, I represent myself just fine without help. I have friends with some of the other non-union LTL's and with the exception of FDX and Conway,we are the highest paid. The job really is pretty easy for what we make. Give me a straight answer WITHOUT propaganda.

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I went to work for Motor Cargo, Reno,Nv. in 1988 and we were represented by the Teamsters Union.
Since then, Union Pacific RR bought us and gave us and our contract to Overnite Corp.
So now UPS buys us and our contract, and we are still Teamsters.
I have never worked for Overnite Transportation. But I am working for UPS Freight.:smilie_132:

Well we former Overniter's thought UPS buying us would be good.
We figured they could offer more job security then anyother trucking company,because they have a global operation.
We thought that they were a Teamster represented company,and they would just let all of us become organized as well to marry us with the work rules of their parcel employees.

So much for the wishful thinking.
The only question I have is WAAA HOPPENED?

Apostolic said:

Well we former Overniter's thought UPS buying us would be good.
We figured they could offer more job security then anyother trucking company,because they have a global operation.
We thought that they were a Teamster represented company,and they would just let all of us become organized as well to marry us with the work rules of their parcel employees.

So much for the wishful thinking.
The only question I have is WAAA HOPPENED?

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The cost of Duct Tape went up and they have no more money for us.

mr.breeze said:

With all the ga-ga of the Indy contract,one has to ask "Why did you come to work at Overnite in the first place" ? You obviously knew from the get go that it was a non-union shop. I know I have had alot of disagreements with my sups,told them to kiss my rear and went about my business. Why didn't you go to work for another company that is/was under the NMFA ? I thought for a while that representation might be a good thing,but, I represent myself just fine without help. I have friends with some of the other non-union LTL's and with the exception of FDX and Conway,we are the highest paid. The job really is pretty easy for what we make. Give me a straight answer WITHOUT propaganda.

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I came to work for "O" because it was a good non-union company to work for-24 YEARS AGO. Its not "O" anymore, ITS UPS, And if you have not noticed yet, In time you will, WE NEED A CONTRACT.:smilie_132:

upgf-driver said:

I too, once held this belief. But you have to realize that there has always been a desire to unionize this company and you knew that coming in as well. You're not being honest with yourself if you think that all who work here have been happy with the current situation. And remember the 50% plus one rule. That also applies to our presidential elections so sometimes, you might like one guy only to have someone else "shoved down your throat". It's just the way it is and you have to respect the majority rule.

Perhaps with your self representation, you might have done more in terms of improving conditions for others and we wouldn't be here right now.

But the bottom line and the most important thing to remember is that this whole union thing is 100% controlled by UPS and what they want. If they didn't want us to go union, then they would have simply given us what Indy has in their contract and there would be no incentive to vote in the teamsters. I knew a long time ago that I really had no say in this and that it's going to be done how UPS wants it done.

And I agree with the other guys comment about the a$$ kissing and self representation. I've done that for quite some time and I have grown tired of it because that stuff only lasts as long as your last time you strapped on your knee pads. My point is that they have short memories and don't remember how many times you were there for them and how many times you put your family second to their needs. I'm pretty excited about the prospects of having security with this job without having a great relationship with the clowns on the other side of the window. I'm a professional and I will continue to come in and do my job accordingly. What management thinks of me personally just won't matter anymore.

And for the record, I have never strapped on knee pads. That was just used to make a point. The truth is that I'm short enough that I never needed them.

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I love it!!!

upgf-driver said:

I too, once held this belief. But you have to realize that there has always been a desire to unionize this company and you knew that coming in as well. You're not being honest with yourself if you think that all who work here have been happy with the current situation. And remember the 50% plus one rule. That also applies to our presidential elections so sometimes, you might like one guy only to have someone else "shoved down your throat". It's just the way it is and you have to respect the majority rule.

Perhaps with your self representation, you might have done more in terms of improving conditions for others and we wouldn't be here right now.

But the bottom line and the most important thing to remember is that this whole union thing is 100% controlled by UPS and what they want. If they didn't want us to go union, then they would have simply given us what Indy has in their contract and there would be no incentive to vote in the teamsters. I knew a long time ago that I really had no say in this and that it's going to be done how UPS wants it done.

And I agree with the other guys comment about the a$$ kissing and self representation. I've done that for quite some time and I have grown tired of it because that stuff only lasts as long as your last time you strapped on your knee pads. My point is that they have short memories and don't remember how many times you were there for them and how many times you put your family second to their needs. I'm pretty excited about the prospects of having security with this job without having a great relationship with the clowns on the other side of the window. I'm a professional and I will continue to come in and do my job accordingly. What management thinks of me personally just won't matter anymore.

And for the record, I have never strapped on knee pads. That was just used to make a point. The truth is that I'm short enough that I never needed them.

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Nice post driver!!!!

That earned you some green bean awards points

BusterNite said:

I came to work for "O" because it was a good non-union company to work for-24 YEARS AGO. Its not "O" anymore, ITS UPS, And if you have not noticed yet, In time you will, WE NEED A CONTRACT.:smilie_132:

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Man I just love to read all this stuff,, I can't believe
just how much people can change minds as much as I see on here.

Nobody can change the minds of their co-workers,unless those co-workers are wishy washy in the first place.

Theres a verse in the Holy Bible that states.
A double minded man is unstable in all of his ways.

This about discribes a lot of public office figures they try to be everything for whoever they are dealling with.

The best way to approch any given subject is to research all the information,then decide what will be the best for you in the long run.
This is my opinion.

Apostolic said:

Nobody can change the minds of their co-workers,unless those co-workers are wishy washy in the first place.

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Or maybe the introduction of new information can change a person's mind. That's called being open minded and being willing to accept that maybe you were wrong and that there were things you didn't know or things you haven't fully considered.

You can only base your opinion on what you know at the time you know it.

But I do agree to the point that you cannot change some people's minds. We are very selective in what information we deem credible and often times it's the stuff that supports our belief that we accept and the stuff that runs contrary to what we believe, we reject and dismiss.

I do believe there is a thin line between being wishy-washy and being open minded and it's hard to tell the difference sometimes. I guess the more firm you are in your beliefs, the less likely you are to consider new information.

The bottom line with regard to this matter for me is that I bought into the company line that UPS wanted us to remain non-union. I took them at their word. But when I saw that they bargained in good faith in Indy, it made me realize that they in fact do want us to be represented and that local management is truly clueless and lacks all credibility. I wish I would have seen that sooner.

upgf-driver said:

Or maybe the introduction of new information can change a person's mind. That's called being open minded and being willing to accept that maybe you were wrong and that there were things you didn't know or things you haven't fully considered.

You can only base your opinion on what you know at the time you know it.

But I do agree to the point that you cannot change some people's minds. We are very selective in what information we deem credible and often times it's the stuff that supports our belief that we accept and the stuff that runs contrary to what we believe, we reject and dismiss.

I do believe there is a thin line between being wishy-washy and being open minded and it's hard to tell the difference sometimes. I guess the more firm you are in your beliefs, the less likely you are to consider new information.

The bottom line with regard to this matter for me is that I bought into the company line that UPS wanted us to remain non-union. I took them at their word. But when I saw that they bargained in good faith in Indy, it made me realize that they in fact do want us to be represented and that local management is truly clueless and lacks all credibility. I wish I would have seen that sooner.

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Yet another good post. Nice job!

mr.breeze said:

With all the ga-ga of the Indy contract,one has to ask "Why did you come to work at Overnite in the first place" ? You obviously knew from the get go that it was a non-union shop. I know I have had alot of disagreements with my sups,told them to kiss my rear and went about my business. Why didn't you go to work for another company that is/was under the NMFA ? I thought for a while that representation might be a good thing,but, I represent myself just fine without help. I have friends with some of the other non-union LTL's and with the exception of FDX and Conway,we are the highest paid. The job really is pretty easy for what we make. Give me a straight answer WITHOUT propaganda.

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With all the ga ga about "O" one has to ask why we still think we work for "O"?

Things are changing, We are a new company, if you have not noticed. Overtime is being cut through out the company, new rules are being implemented that certainly not only hurts those with alot of seniority, our rulebook is nothing more then xtra toilet paper. and seniority, and stability mean nothing any more.

For the years that I have worked for "O" I liked what I did, and to be honest if "O" would have gone union, we would have been bankrupt.

Now with the inflation escallating at a pace over the past 5 years that will make an olympic runner look like they are jogging, $.50 will not even cover the cost of the paper they passed out with the outline of the bennies for this year.

We are now owned by a union company, that prides themselves on being the tightest runned ship in the shipping business, there will be a time when the will keep the inevitable eye on you, as they do with small package, it is just a question of getting thier DUCK'S IN A ROW, and of coarse , as with everything else ,this will take time. And when that time hits, they will make it hard for you to do your job, based on the fact that UPS does not like to pay out in longterm monies and bennies, when you get the years behind you they will ride you like a stallion in an open field for 8 hrs. a day.

If you confront a UPS trained natzi SUP. with your holier then thou attitude of protecting yourself without a contract and sometype of backing, you will find your self out of this non union company and I am sure the door will not hit you on your way out.

And awnser this question for me. If "O" was making the same amount of monies per year as the big 3,( and mgnt used that expression in every quarterly meeting mind you.) Then why could they not pay us the same as the competition considering we were doing the same job? And making the same profits year after year?

As far as I am concearned, the only thing I am seeing in your statement justifiably, is a statement of insecurity.

And by the way "O" is hiring drivers. You mite want to apply.

upgf-driver said:

Or maybe the introduction of new information can change a person's mind. That's called being open minded and being willing to accept that maybe you were wrong and that there were things you didn't know or things you haven't fully considered.

You can only base your opinion on what you know at the time you know it.

But I do agree to the point that you cannot change some people's minds. We are very selective in what information we deem credible and often times it's the stuff that supports our belief that we accept and the stuff that runs contrary to what we believe, we reject and dismiss.

I do believe there is a thin line between being wishy-washy and being open minded and it's hard to tell the difference sometimes. I guess the more firm you are in your beliefs, the less likely you are to consider new information.

The bottom line with regard to this matter for me is that I bought into the company line that UPS wanted us to remain non-union. I took them at their word. But when I saw that they bargained in good faith in Indy, it made me realize that they in fact do want us to be represented and that local management is truly clueless and lacks all credibility. I wish I would have seen that sooner.

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Lets put it this way, The end result of what you had done as explained in your post as opposed to what we have done is nothing.

We are all just as guilty as you in believing the company propaganda, what else can we do when it comes time to make a decision that could drastically effect our lives ,and it will take time for others to realize what you have, I am sure, there are people who do not like change and it shines through on these boards like blazing hot lazers.

Your statement about UPS wanting us to be union, well I can see some truth to that, I am quite sure that UPS would rather see 1 company ,1 union, as opposed to 1 company, 3 unions , 1 company union--- non union etc. etc.

If you have read some of the past practices in UPS history they believe in merging and making everything one seamless operation, and before long ,we will be a part of that as well ,as more to come ,I am sure.

I also believe thier is nothing wrong with firm beliefs, as long as one does'nt suffer from the lack of reason, which inturn promotes open mindedness.

The bottom line to what I am saying is, this is just the beginning of the feray into UPSF I am sure and there will be alot more justifiable paradox theories facing us in the future.
It will be hard for all of us.:smilie_132:

When we were Overnite,we city drivers were pretty much left alone to do our best to get our routes done.
If we had to bring back a stop,or two due to some customer being closed,or a house delivery where the people weren't home when the appoinment was set up.
It was no big deal.
It was just re-appointed for another day.
Now that we are UPS,you'd think we have commited a Federal crime to bring something back for any reason.

I've always set a higher standard for my self in the fact I do all my work unto God.

In the past my work has been good enough to please God.
But its not good enough now to please UPS.

In the last month I've been called into my TM's office twice to ask how come I'm not making my stops per hour?

When I try to say the main road I use is under construction,or I had a lot of hand unloads,or inside mall deliveries.
He doesn't want to hear any excusses.
That was my first shouting session with him saying I'm not being fair to the rest of our drivers because I'm not doing my share of the work.

The second time was just last week.
I told him I was the worst employee he has working for him,and I'll try harder.
He really didn't have much to say after that.
but I'd better pick up the pace.

Well now the first of April next year I'm going to retire.
I guess I'm getting to old for this stuff?
I knew it had to come to an end sometime!

Apostolic said:

When we were Overnite,we city drivers were pretty much left alone to do our best to get our routes done.
If we had to bring back a stop,or two due to some customer being closed,or a house delivery where the people weren't home when the appoinment was set up.
It was no big deal.
It was just re-appointed for another day.
Now that we are UPS,you'd think we have commited a Federal crime to bring something back for any reason.

I've always set a higher standard for my self in the fact I do all my work unto God.

In the past my work has been good enough to please God.
But its not good enough now to please UPS.

In the last month I've been called into my TM's office twice to ask how come I'm not making my stops per hour?

When I try to say the main road I use is under construction,or I had a lot of hand unloads,or inside mall deliveries.
He doesn't want to hear any excusses.
That was my first shouting session with him saying I'm not being fair to the rest of our drivers because I'm not doing my share of the work.

The second time was just last week.
I told him I was the worst employee he has working for him,and I'll try harder.
He really didn't have much to say after that.
but I'd better pick up the pace.

Well now the first of April next year I'm going to retire.
I guess I'm getting to old for this stuff?
I knew it had to come to an end sometime!

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I tell them, you come ride with me and I'll watch you do it so I can learn how to do it right. Of course they have no answer for that one. Also if they message you why a delivery is taking so long, get on the phone with the manager and then give the phone to the customer so he can explain to the manager why. That always works for me. This Tm we have gave a pu customer some crap for making a driver wait too long, so the customer stopped using us. Now the TM is in hot water trying to explain to his boss why we lost the business. It is a beautiful thing. Use your customers as a shield. The customers are always right.

I came to 0` as a driver because they wern`t hiring pilots & was told I could work my way up! Then, if you could believe it , I find out(firteen years later) that they don`t even have airoplanes to move freight!!! boy am I glad UPS bought them 0`fellers out and mabe I can be a pilot again soon. Can you imagine a freight company not having airoplane as part of their operation in this day and age!!!Tallk about being left behind....Oh , almost forgot; now I`m too old to fly, so I`ll finish out as a driver, thanks 0`