XPO | Lasalle

Totally agree with the above post. If we don't bend with the winds of change that are blowing all throughout our industry, we will not stand for long. If there is any doubt about this, go to the "new post" area, and read everything about Yellow/Roadway and what those folks are going through right now. The inability/unwillingness to change, when it is necessary, has been the downfall of so many great organizations, even enitre civilizations (Ancient Rome etc.). I hate that sub-service carriers are taking away most of our line haul operations, but, that is where our company is going, there is no choice for us peons, but to go along or get out. I believe, that within five years, there will be no line haul at any of our facilities, all of that will go with sub-service, if you work for Con-Way, you are either going to be a dock worker, or a p&d driver, that is all there is going to be........I hope not, that really hasn't worked all that well for the other companies that have tried that over the years.....:hissyfit:
 
Totally agree with the above post. If we don't bend with the winds of change that are blowing all throughout our industry, we will not stand for long. If there is any doubt about this, go to the "new post" area, and read everything about Yellow/Roadway and what those folks are going through right now. The inability/unwillingness to change, when it is necessary, has been the downfall of so many great organizations, even enitre civilizations (Ancient Rome etc.). I hate that sub-service carriers are taking away most of our line haul operations, but, that is where our company is going, there is no choice for us peons, but to go along or get out. I believe, that within five years, there will be no line haul at any of our facilities, all of that will go with sub-service, if you work for Con-Way, you are either going to be a dock worker, or a p&d driver, that is all there is going to be........I hope not, that really hasn't worked all that well for the other companies that have tried that over the years.....:hissyfit:


From a logistics standpoint i can not see all of the L/H runs going onto Sub service vans. Eliminate empty miles with a few sub service vans yes but not the whole L/H operations.
 
I agree with your premise, however, that is not what they are doing. There are a great many lanes, being serviced in BOTH directions with sub-service. Almost all, (on some nights, ALL), of the freight into my terminal, comes on sub-service, out of the FAC I go to.....we bring back, either emptys, or over-heads to go further north......one night last week, among the five of us there, we brought back 6 emptys, but still loaded 3 sub-service to our barn with local freight. C/R England has three full 53's to our place, and we return with emptys.....yeah, and most of the freight came into the FAC as pures from other barns, and we had to strip out the FULLLY LOADED pures, to get the subs filled up by cut time.....if they just loaded all of that other overhead stuff onto a couple more subs, we would be completely un-necessary, which is the direction the company is clearly headed. :nutkick:
 
Sorry about the double post, hit the wrong button.

Anyway, I think (my opinon being worth exactly what you are paying for it)......I think, that if you want to continue to be a line driver for Con-Way, you better get an app into either Truckload, or, C/R England.......cause boys and girls, it ain't gonna be around here much longer.....:TR10driving03:
 
from the standpoint of eliminating or at least drastically reducing empty miles, the sub service makes the most sense, we are not the only company to do it, and we wont be the last, ask yourself this if you were the sole owner of any type of company would you not want to maximize your prrofit potential? now granted we are publicly owned, so dont beat me up to bad on this, but seriously sometimes changes have to be made for the good of the company, we need to peek our heads out of our comfort zone, and look around, no company is operated for the sole benifit of lil ole YOU,change is hard, but change is neccesary also,this whole change of operating plan is going to take time, to iron out the bumps, bottom line is we have to remain a viable operating unit, if you dont believe me, look around what has happened with the "big 3" they had the attitude they were number one and didnt implement the needed changes, now they are crying poor mouth, could it have been avoided, I believe so, but again, change was resisited, could they truely not have seen what the competition was doing? did they think they were so untouchable that no matter what they would not need to change? the whole country, in fact the global economy is in a mess, change is hard change is neccessary, and hopefully these changes will be good for most in the long run
 
Change can be good. Stagnation and complacency can be deadly.

To clarify; They told us that sub-service outsourceing was only going to be utilized in our mt lanes and not in full lanes.....and then proceded to load sub-service outsourcing in both directions. Was this an out and out lie or was it just an innocent oversight?

We still seem to pull a lot of mt's as a result but our freight is being pulled for substantialy less.

The misrepresentation of their intentions are indicated but would like to see solid data on this to back up my accusations.
 
I now am curious why would we load vans headed to the same place as we have emptys going to? from the same location, if I understand this correctly you loaded sub service at the FAC to duplicate the miles you were driving anyways, with emptys since your frieght from that FAC went into vans, to follow your emptys home?
 
...I hate that sub-service carriers are taking away most of our line haul operations, but, that is where our company is going, there is no choice for us peons, but to go along or get out. I believe, that within five years, there will be no line haul at any of our facilities, all of that will go with sub-service, if you work for Con-Way, you are either going to be a dock worker, or a p&d driver, that is all there is going to be........I hope not, that really hasn't worked all that well for the other companies that have tried that over the years.....:hissyfit:

We talked about this months ago. With La Salle coming on line our system of "super reships" continues to mature. I-80/90 is quickly becoming our company's super highway. Line haul drivers will always be needed within our system, but it may be in the function of transporting freight to the assembly centers to be loaded onto sub-carriers. I think it comes down to how far you need to move the freight... less than or more than 500 miles, shipper to consignee's dock.

Our company and this industry continues to grow and mature, or change if you prefer. Milestones in LTL according to Con-way... our start in 1982/1983. Our operating model was a huge change in the industry. Next big thing was our computer program to forecast our line haul operation. LTL has always been an "asset intensive" industry. By utilizing sub-carriers in and out of our F.A.C.'s how much company equipment becomes unneeded?

"Old School" operations from regional LTL carriers was easy for all of us to understand. But modern LTL has become global without any mention of "regional" in it's operation.
 
I am on-site and seeing the tonnage and DSR figures in person from both the manifests and computer figures.

Your figure of 2.5m and 1.5m is far too low... Our lowest total tonnage since last monday was over 3.4 million... The lowest DSR figure was 113. Every other night has been higher.



Be careful, rumors and speculation aren't always true to life.

Just so you know, I always do my best to give out information that is accurate, I will correct myself when I make an error but in this case the tonnage levels are not incorrect (Yes, I double checked them right before posting)... Thanks for noticing the Numbers though!

Enjoy your holiday,

MG
the first week was not over 3 million did not hit 3 until this week
go back and check again
 
I now am curious why would we load vans headed to the same place as we have emptys going to? from the same location, if I understand this correctly you loaded sub service at the FAC to duplicate the miles you were driving anyways, with emptys since your frieght from that FAC went into vans, to follow your emptys home?

Sexy Peter Griffin, u lost me at "curious".
 
We talked about this months ago. With La Salle coming on line our system of "super reships" continues to mature. I-80/90 is quickly becoming our company's super highway. Line haul drivers will always be needed within our system, but it may be in the function of transporting freight to the assembly centers to be loaded onto sub-carriers. I think it comes down to how far you need to move the freight... less than or more than 500 miles, shipper to consignee's dock.

Our company and this industry continues to grow and mature, or change if you prefer. Milestones in LTL according to Con-way... our start in 1982/1983. Our operating model was a huge change in the industry. Next big thing was our computer program to forecast our line haul operation. LTL has always been an "asset intensive" industry. By utilizing sub-carriers in and out of our F.A.C.'s how much company equipment becomes unneeded?

"Old School" operations from regional LTL carriers was easy for all of us to understand. But modern LTL has become global without any mention of "regional" in it's operation.
the biggest problem in this company now is you have computer people running things and not actual ex drivers everything can look good on paper but when it comes to actually working out in the world it doesnt then they sit back and want to blame the worker

then all you hear is the workers must be doing something wrong it couldn't be our program
 
the biggest problem in this company now is you have computer people running things and not actual ex drivers everything can look good on paper but when it comes to actually working out in the world it doesnt then they sit back and want to blame the worker

then all you hear is the workers must be doing something wrong it couldn't be our program

I agree 110%. We have XGO filled with college educated pencil pushers and bean counters who have probably never set foot on a dock.
 
the biggest problem in this company now is you have computer people running things and not actual ex drivers everything can look good on paper but when it comes to actually working out in the world it doesnt then they sit back and want to blame the worker

then all you hear is the workers must be doing something wrong it couldn't be our program

Not a chance. When our number one core value is integrity, then of course they would take complete responsibility when a well thought out plan goes astray.

Your silly, truckerdude.
 
I now am curious why would we load vans headed to the same place as we have emptys going to? from the same location, if I understand this correctly you loaded sub service at the FAC to duplicate the miles you were driving anyways, with emptys since your frieght from that FAC went into vans, to follow your emptys home?

You have your finger on the pulse of the situation. Story is: they only have until 2200 to call off the purchase, without substantial monetary penalty....Problem is, not all of the freight is moving to the FAC by 2200....AND.....they don't even come to work until then....SO, by the time they realize the purchase isn't needed, it is too late to call it off....neat trick huh???? So we pull loads into the FAC, and mt's back......does save on fuel though, that is a plus....:1036316054:
 
You have your finger on the pulse of the situation. Story is: they only have until 2200 to call off the purchase, without substantial monetary penalty....Problem is, not all of the freight is moving to the FAC by 2200....AND.....they don't even come to work until then....SO, by the time they realize the purchase isn't needed, it is too late to call it off....neat trick huh???? So we pull loads into the FAC, and mt's back......does save on fuel though, that is a plus....:1036316054:

They have 4 hours from the scheduled pull time to cancel a sub service. If they (LSS or FAC) cancel this after the 4 hour window the penalty is $250.
 
the first week was not over 3 million did not hit 3 until this week
go back and check again

I'm not going to get into shouting match with you about this, I have the numbers in my hand... The actual numbers... Not speculatve ones... This facility has moved over 3.5 million lbs every day since the fac opened...

You seem to be running into this facility so I would suggest that you come find me when you arive at the FAC next week and we can discuss the differences in the numbers.

I would love to know from whom you are getting these numbers because they are quite a bit off. Your Profile shows that you are a Driver so of this is correct you are likely getting your numbers from a person not the system.

PM Me to let me know when you are arriving in XLA and I will be more than happy to show you the real numbers.

Keep in mind I would not post numbers unless I had a very good reason to believe that they are accurate.

Have a great Holiday Weekend!!

MG
 
Thanks for correcting me .... oh my :TR10driving03: ... if you are running things down there I am sure YOU are the reason why no one can move ...

Nice post. If I ever get there it would be in the same capacity as yourself, sure wouldn't be running things. Not sure who you think i am, but chances are you're on target. Not that that's ever happened here before!!!
 
Nice post. If I ever get there it would be in the same capacity as yourself, sure wouldn't be running things. Not sure who you think i am, but chances are you're on target. Not that that's ever happened here before!!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOL ... you just contradicted yourself ...
 
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re: XLA

How many vans/day currently and what direction do they go?
 
I now am curious why would we load vans headed to the same place as we have emptys going to? from the same location, if I understand this correctly you loaded sub service at the FAC to duplicate the miles you were driving anyways, with emptys since your frieght from that FAC went into vans, to follow your emptys home?


Easy to answer. Con-Way is simply testing the program. Once they are assured it works then no more MTs going back to originating SICs. Subservice out and subservice in. Everything will be subservice. Line haul as you know it is dead. You will either work the dock or P&D, perhaps both but no long distance line haul. The 85K a year line haul days are over. Con-Way is positioning itself to eliminate you. Your services as you know it have been relegated to overly expensive. You are not wanted!

Con-Way will keep the P&D people for reasons of customer service and they need dock workers to move the freight, but thats it. There is no face to face customer service in line haul it is simply a function of moving freight.Something Con-Way views as anyone being capable of doing.

Don't believe me? Just look back at Black Friday and the re-engineering nonsense.

John L. & Co. are looking to eliminate you. Frozen pension, no option days. no ICP, closed facilities, long term employees let go...you figure it out!

If you believe that these moves were for the good for the company, you are exactly right!

Good for you?

Nope.

Get out while you can. I am!
 
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