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after browsing the boards a bit it appears that R&L is heading down the road of purchase transport as well. Their folks are not happy about it either.
 
Waffleman said:
after browsing the boards a bit it appears that R&L is heading down the road of purchase transport as well. Their folks are not happy about it either.
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Those guys pay for their own pallet jacks, handtrucks, plus their Haz-mat endorsement. And no overtime either...alot of them work 60-hour weeks in the city.

You would think with that kind of cost advantage that R&L would be satisfied...but R&L is even greedier than FedEx and is slowly replacing them with contractors and lease drivers.

Problem with all these low-ball outfits like R&L, Averitt, Roadrunner, Towne, Saia, etc is that eventually they affect better paying jobs because we have to drop down to their level to compete.

Sorry, homey don't play that game. If those guys want to work cheap, that's their own business. I see the writing on the wall and I'm getting out of this biz.
 
slackdragon said:
I'm not sure ...but I think our new X-vans are 53 foot dual axle...and we have several ....got rid of the G-vans ...I could get a tape out ..or find the tag .... nah ...to much work .... I know they are long when you back in next to them ......:TR10driving03:
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Longest WE purchase is 48 Ft
 
what would are customers think if they found out they are paying fedex rate and it going on p/trans. dont you think that is a little unethical. Or do they already know this. anybody have a answer. just wondering.
 
bigdaddybibbs said:
what would are customers think if they found out they are paying fedex rate and it going on p/trans. dont you think that is a little unethical. Or do they already know this. anybody have a answer. just wondering.
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:USA:

I can't imagine that any shipper would be unaware of this.

It is, and has been, a common practice throughout our industry.
 
Big Lee said:
:USA:

AF & Viking used outside carriers up to an including when they were purchased. Not trying to argue, just stating the fact
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I'm with ya; I almost always try to post facts and rarely venture into opinion and conjecture. But it gets me nowhere. The prevailing mentality is not to let facts get in the way of a good story. :clap:

oaf
 
I started AF in 97 and they were using some outside carriers but not even close to the number Fedex is using now.
 
Mike Varnco said:
The reason is that Freight and National...much like Express on the parcel side...are time-sensitive operations.
The goal is 99% on-time backed by money-back guarantees.
The trouble with contractors is that you always don't get the on-time %.
From my experience working at FedEx Ground...contractors own routes and territories and since they're paid by the box/load/pallet, etc...they don't like seeing other contractors in their areas. So they will try and max as much freight as they can onto their trucks...if they can't fit it all and a customer closes...so be it.
Contractors can sometimes refuse freight they don't want. This was a BIG problem at Watkins.
If a dockman/package handler puts a pallet/box in the wrong spot on a contractor's truck, the contractor may not go far out of his way to deliver it because...depending on how the freight pays...he has to pay for fuel/wear&tear on the truck.
Contractors with multiple routes often employ drivers to run their trucks. These guys aren't paid very well, so turnover is usually high.
Contractors will run their equipment down to the bitter end.

The main advantage in using contractors is COST, but you usually give up on-time%. Which is why it works for FedEx Ground and not FedEx Express.
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I don't know where you get or got your information but contractors refusing freight at Watkins was not a "big problem" it was barely worth mentioning. I was a linehaul contractor at WML for many years never really head anything about it , you alwasys had some guy that didn't want to do the work he was hired to do but they come and go just like the company guys.As far Fedex going to all contractors it will never happen the treat their people like sh!t and nobody that owns a truck would put up with it. You will get fleet owners that get monkeys to drive and that's about it
 
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bigdaddybibbs said:
what would are customers think if they found out they are paying fedex rate and it going on p/trans. dont you think that is a little unethical. Or do they already know this. anybody have a answer. just wondering.
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Would that be something like a carrier getting freight and shipping by rail from coast to coast instead of running it down the highway?
 
average joe said:
I don't know where you get or got your information but contractors refusing freight at Watkins was not a "big problem" it was barely worth mentioning. I was a linehaul contractor at WML for many years never really head anything about it , you alwasys had some guy that didn't want to do the work he was hired to do but they come and go just like the company guys.As far Fedex going to all contractors it will never happen the treat their people like sh!t and nobody that owns a truck would put up with it. You will get fleet owners that get monkeys to drive and that's about it
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You are full of $Hit!! There were 15 P&D contractors at my barn and 3 company drivers...and I was one of the 3. Guess who got to do all the liftgate deliveries, schools, churches, mines, food warehouses, residentials, excercise machines, etc? Do you think the contractors delivered that stuff? BS! Those guys were paid by the mile and weight and they didn't want to drive far and they didn't want to get hung up at a stop messing around. They left that stuff on the dock for us company guys to deliver. Don't tell me what I don't know because I was a city driver for Watkins for 7 years before FedEx bought us out. Did you run city? No, you were linehaul you *******!
 
Mike Varnco said:
You are full of $Hit!! There were 15 P&D contractors at my barn and 3 company drivers...and I was one of the 3. Guess who got to do all the liftgate deliveries, schools, churches, mines, food warehouses, residentials, excercise machines, etc? Do you think the contractors delivered that stuff? BS! Those guys were paid by the mile and weight and they didn't want to drive far and they didn't want to get hung up at a stop messing around. They left that stuff on the dock for us company guys to deliver. Don't tell me what I don't know because I was a city driver for Watkins for 7 years before FedEx bought us out. Did you run city? No, you were linehaul you *******!
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Mike Varnco :ranting2:

You need to wash your mouth with soap. :biglaugh:

And lay off that Miller beer.

Remember to attack the post not the person. :nutkick:

How come you did not buy a truck with Watkins, so you could get the gravy work??

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bigdaddybibbs said:
what would are customers think if they found out they are paying fedex rate and it going on p/trans. dont you think that is a little unethical. Or do they already know this. anybody have a answer. just wondering.
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A lot of you ask this, but really why would the shipper have a problem ?

Damage is almost always done by dockworkers. The line driver isn't really going to cause a major issue unless he gets in an accident or something.
And they are required to be on time or they get huge fines.
 
Mike Varnco said:
You are full of $Hit!! There were 15 P&D contractors at my barn and 3 company drivers...and I was one of the 3. Guess who got to do all the liftgate deliveries, schools, churches, mines, food warehouses, residentials, excercise machines, etc? Do you think the contractors delivered that stuff? BS! Those guys were paid by the mile and weight and they didn't want to drive far and they didn't want to get hung up at a stop messing around. They left that stuff on the dock for us company guys to deliver. Don't tell me what I don't know because I was a city driver for Watkins for 7 years before FedEx bought us out. Did you run city? No, you were linehaul you *******!
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First of all I didn't call you any names (even if you blanked it out) You don't understand that that is why WML had company P/D. you were getting paid by the hour I bet if you were getting paid by the trip you would turn it down also. I guess what i'm trying to say is your crying because they wanted you to do the job they hired you to do.Would you or do you go to work knowing you were going to lose money?
 
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