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BusterNite said:
The reason is simple. A 30 year man may sit home and watch a 6 month man work every day just because of a classification.
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Making a one board is not the answer for all the terminals. Like I said before it might not have a big impact on a small terminal but it will on a large terminal.

You have men and women that have put years on the road to get where they are at. In a one board a city man close to retirement could take it from him. How fair is that.

I believe the change needs to come from how they cross from one class to another and go to the bottom instead of going by company seniority.

Very simple company seniority period. Then when a line run comes open again the ex-line driver has to go back according again to his company seniority.

UPS must like strife in the work place. They could of avoided all this by going by company seniority instead of their lame terminal seniority.

Same way with transfers either company seniority or make them quit and go to the bottom. Least they know ahead of time if it is worth the move.

But just to let you know where I really am on the issue. I really don't care. I'm winding down in my career. So what ever the majority wants and can come to a agreement on is fine with me.

However, I am on the same page as you are as far as a 6 month driver working ahead of a senior man because of job classification.
 
upsf-driver said:
The whole concept of two boards is antiquated. It comes from the days of regulation when there was a distinct difference between road and cartage freight and the authority required to move it. Those restrictions are no longer in place and the need for separate boards is no longer there.

Outside of someone trying to keep work that someone with more seniority might want, I have no idea why anyone would support keeping this system. And if that is you, then you must acknowledge that you are anti-seniority. Jockey, dock and city were all combined. So combining road with them would be no different. Tell me where I'm wrong.
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Regulation has nothing to do with it. It is all about fairness to all job classifications. About time a person puts into it with blood and sweat to build the seniority and enjoy the fruits of his labor in that job classification.
 
Skeeter: I think you missed my point. But then again we all know people read things and get out of it what they want sometimes; ignoring otherwise obvious facts. I like how some talk about respecting seniority with regard to job classification but they won't apply the same passion towards respecting COMPANY seniority.
 
upsf-driver said:
Skeeter: I think you missed my point. But then again we all know people read things and get out of it what they want sometimes; ignoring otherwise obvious facts. I like how some talk about respecting seniority with regard to job classification but they won't apply the same passion towards respecting COMPANY seniority.
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I don't think so. I believe we both agree about company seniority. I believe job classification should be the same.
But when it comes to lay off it's company seniority period.
 
we need to go to the NLRB and let them read article 5 and see if they can fine any thing about classification seniority or layoffs by company seniority for the road drivers
 
i usually dont do anything but read these posts but it amazes me to watch the way people act when they only think of what is good for me and disregard what is best for all seniorty is what you have earned through a lot of hard work thru the years it does not matter weather you are on the road dock city or whatever we are all in this together the senior man should be able to bid what ever job he wants to do he has earned that right !!!!!!!!!!here in charleston wv we were the first terminal to go one board and it has worked out great everyone knows what their spot is and it sure does take out all the guess work without all the bickering. and no i did not gain anything by this but it is just the right thing to do. when we are all together things work out best for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!enjoy the holidays












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Well stated csjinks. It's usually those that sit quietly and just listen that have the most to say. I agree that going to one board benefits the board as a whole, more than it does any individual. Having two boards automatically divides and quite possibly is the biggest, best tool management uses to defeat us. As long we can stay focused on each other and what we're doing, we'll never be organized enough to get anything accomplished.
 
upsf-driver said:
Well stated csjinks. It's usually those that sit quietly and just listen that have the most to say. I agree that going to one board benefits the board as a whole, more than it does any individual. Having two boards automatically divides and quite possibly is the biggest, best tool management uses to defeat us. As long we can stay focused on each other and what we're doing, we'll never be organized enough to get anything accomplished.
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You know in all fairness this system we have had goes back to the beginning with Overnite. To switch to a 1 board system would cause a lot of trouble we as a company don't need now. All of us getting some fair and sane work rules should be at the top of the agenda. Stopping all the contract carriers from running our freight while our drivers are sitting home and losing their homes.
The union to me just seems like they simply don't have any fight left in them. I don't don't know but one thing I do know. We all have to pull and work together.

I for one am going to do my best not to post something that will flame what another is talking about. But rather try to add a reasonable and hopefully helpful response.

Who knows we just might come up with a good usable idea.
 
Regular342 summed it up well. Dont be shallow boys. I have been with the company for 25 years. I transferred 9 years ago before UPS bought us and into the contract. Now as it is if a layoff comes i transferred in 2001, however thats the date i now go by if a layoff occurs. I would lose 17 plus years. Keep in mind i made sure i would still keep my 1984 hire date full time in case of a layoff,but for bidding purposes i would use my 2001 transfer date before i considered transferring. Someone tell me is this right or wrong. If someone thinks its wrong enlighten me.
 
Hosslove said:
Regular342 summed it up well. Dont be shallow boys. I have been with the company for 25 years. I transferred 9 years ago before UPS bought us and into the contract. Now as it is if a layoff comes i transferred in 2001, however thats the date i now go by if a layoff occurs. I would lose 17 plus years. Keep in mind i made sure i would still keep my 1984 hire date full time in case of a layoff,but for bidding purposes i would use my 2001 transfer date before i considered transferring. Someone tell me is this right or wrong. If someone thinks its wrong enlighten me.
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As I have always understood (30 years) that a voluntary transfer would change the status of your bidding seniority, but would not change your layoff seniority, understanding this before the transfer is and was very important. I am not sure I understand why you feel you were wronged?

Transferring because of work force reduction, (following the freight) is a different story and understanding that you will dovetail in that terminal with your full seniority.
 
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BusterNite said:
As I have always understood (30 years) that a voluntary transfer would change the status of your bidding seniority, but would not change your layoff seniority, understanding this before the transfer is and was very important. I am not sure I understand why you feel you were wronged?

Transferring because of work force reduction, (following the freight) is a different story and understanding that you will dovetail in that terminal with your full seniority.
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BUSTERNITE

GREAT POST !!!!
 
what everyone seems to forget is we are not overnite anymore!!!!! I beleived in the old system the way it was and was loyal to the company as could be but everything is different now. new company union contract so we should have started out fresh with everyones seniorty were it should be with company time, would everyone be happy no!!! but at least you would know where you stand and down the road it would all work its self out.lets all quit bickering about what is just good for me and band together and work on what is the best for all!!!! together we we can solve our problems and make this a great place to work but divided we acomplish nothing. quit blaming everything on the company start looking in the mirrow and ask yourself am i part of the problem or working towards making thing better for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!just my thoughts have a great day
 
csjinks said:
what everyone seems to forget is we are not overnite anymore!!!!! I believed in the old system the way it was and was loyal to the company as could be but everything is different now. new company union contract so we should have started out fresh with everyone's seniority were it should be with company time, would everyone be happy no!!! but at least you would know where you stand and down the road it would all work its self out.lets all quit bickering about what is just good for me and band together and work on what is the best for all!!!! together we we can solve our problems and make this a great place to work but divided we accomplish nothing. quit blaming everything on the company start looking in the mirror and ask yourself am i part of the problem or working towards making thing better for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!just my thoughts have a great day
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HaHA this is a joke right ? You transferred in knowing you would go to the bottom of the list RIGHT? Now just let me jump 17 years to the top of the board and then we can all get along ,that's a good one .You should and will maintain your position were ever that is now. That will not be your date for layoff. Company time will keep you working.
 
My grievance on this interpretation even says i dont feel as i should be able to bid ahead of anyone with my hire dat. Let me make that clear. I am not a me person, i am a we, thats why i feel that waybecause i knew i would start over on my bidding rights. However not when it comes to laying off out the door. I have 25 years and 9 years of it here,so anyone with 10 years wouls be safe, and i would go out the door laid off with 25 years.
 
Hosslove said:
My grievance on this interpretation even says i dont feel as i should be able to bid ahead of anyone with my hire dat. Let me make that clear. I am not a me person, i am a we, thats why i feel that waybecause i knew i would start over on my bidding rights. However not when it comes to laying off out the door. I have 25 years and 9 years of it here,so anyone with 10 years wouls be safe, and i would go out the door laid off with 25 years.
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The current situation is this . Company senority for layoff and vac . (except for the smaller locations in the northeast). Bidding for jobs classification seniority. I agree with this . The big ***** is coming from guys that transferred all over the country knowing full well what the price was .Now they are crying fowl .No sympathy And for your comment Cjinks or whatever any one that knows me knows I am not part of the problem . This is not a new system guys The union has used class seniority in the south for years get used to it.
 
csjinks said:
same place since i started working here!!! see what i mean about being part of the problem and not the solution
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I think you confused many with your post about everyone should have started fresh with company time. As this would never be fair taking into consideration, voluntary transfers and employees that have quit and came back to work.
 
jdtex said:
The current situation is this . Company senority for layoff and vac . (except for the smaller locations in the northeast). Bidding for jobs classification seniority. I agree with this . The big ***** is coming from guys that transferred all over the country knowing full well what the price was .Now they are crying fowl .No sympathy And for your comment Cjinks or whatever any one that knows me knows I am not part of the problem . This is not a new system guys The union has used class seniority in the south for years get used to it.
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When it comes to voluntary transfers I agree with you 100%.....Employees knew full well the policy's of voluntarily transferring to a terminal. Policy has always been that your transfer date would be for bidding purposes and your full time company hire date would be for vacation selection and layoff procedures, as it should be and should remain this way.
 
that is the way ours is set up besides we all know when someone quites and comes back that is there there new hire date did not mean to offend anyone but we will never be on the same page on this one issue that why i said we sould have started out this contract with company seniorty and let it work its self out in the future!!!!!do not want to get in a heated debate on this forum as it will never solve anything so i will just do like in the past just read the comments and never make any futher responses best of luck in the future
 
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