XPO | Logbook mystery
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I believe the laws of where you are at the time apply. I remember when the rule was 10 hours driving the place I used to load the Canadians tried to make the border before their 10 was up because Canada allowed more then 10 so once across the border they got a couple extra.
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I used to run up to Quebec a lot before I worked here and we had to go by American rules even in QC and On because they were the stricter of the two. The companies safety department, which was actually good, said if I used Canadian rules while in Canada, I would then be in violation when I re-entered the states. However, I would only be in Canada for a day or two at a time.
What I would like to know is if you ran in Canada for a few months in a row running 12 or 13 hours of drive time per night if you would be in violation running Albany. Not sure if you have runs that take you that far but now I'm interested in how that would work.
We know one thing, Con-way's trucks meet the speed restrictions in Ontario and Quebec..lol..
bigfoot077
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You have to follow the rules of where you are based out of. Your home service center. This also means that you follow the time zone where you are based out of no matter what state you drive to.
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I don't think that is the case regarding trucking between the states and Canada. The outfit I used to work for ran a ton of Canada and even had a Canadian company they contracted freight to. I could be wrong but if I remember right, the Canadian drivers had to follow our HOS or they would be running illegal here. In fact, I can vividly remember them comparing it to drinking in Canada where the drinking age is 19. We used to go to Niagara Falls or Toronto (took the high school chica to Montreal.. we we..lol..) and the hotel would warn us not to cross the border till we were sober because we would be charged with underage drinking despite the fact it was legal in Canada.
I sure do like Canada - I would say 3 of the top 10 moments in my life happened in Canada despite the fact I've only spent about 20 nights there. There is no better place to take your woman than Montreal -done it twice and it's been a home run both times. God I love Monteal..lol..
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I can not say for sure about crossing countries....Canada or Mexico....but I just read about the whole thing on following the rules where you are based out of. I had a question about doing a layover in another state with a different time zone. On my way home would I start on their time or my time? Got my answer.
Now about the home run thing in Montreal. Did you go see the Expos while you were there?
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I drive both sides on a regular basis so here goes. If you are an American you have to go by US rules all the time. The US gov't feels it's authority extends past it's borders so when an American crosses back he must have complied at all times. A Canadian needs to be in compliance with US rules on the day he crosses into the US previous days don't count.
In the US you can drive for 11 other stuff for 3. If you start at 9 you must stop at 11; 14 hour rule. As far as I know no exceptions.
In Canada you can drive for 13 other stuff 1 more. If you start at 9 you must stop at 11;14 hour rule;with the exception of breaks of over half hour. Start at 9 break of half hour finish at 11:30.
In the US you can drive for 11 other stuff for 3. If you start at 9 you must stop at 11; 14 hour rule. As far as I know no exceptions.
In Canada you can drive for 13 other stuff 1 more. If you start at 9 you must stop at 11;14 hour rule;with the exception of breaks of over half hour. Start at 9 break of half hour finish at 11:30.
Exactly what I said. The rules of where you are apply. If a Canadian is down here our rules apply until he gets north of the border and then his.
In order to simplify things years ago when I worked for Circle C we just always followed our US rules even when we went north of the border.
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it's simple... we follow the canadian law. American drivers that come up follow american law. That's company policy as per steve n., canadian safety supervisor. have your TM call him and ask if your not sure.
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Actually, the rules state that you must be legal in the country you are in at the time. Doesn't matter who you are or where you are from. Thou US DOT will attempt to issue fines for non-compliance they loose in court. Canadian's must comply with all US rules while on US soil (including the 10 hour consecutive off duty rule). Once the Canadian driver re-enters Canada he must again be in compliance with Canadian rules. This makes certain US exemptions imposible to use. Same goes for US drivers, only difference, Canadian rules are alot less strick so if a US driver makes a short trip across the border its usually near impossible to get back in compliance prior to returning. But if they were to cross into Canada run 13 hours then take a ten hour break and head back to the US there would be no issues.
To answer the original question posted
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11 hours driving / 14 hours on-duty (punch to punch) / 60 hours in 7 days or 70 hours in 8 days / reset afte taking 34 hours off consecutive. There are exemptions to increase the per day hours but only once per week and would be against the law in Canada.
Canada
13 hours driving / 14 hours on-duty (Can be extend up to a max of 16 hours by taking breaks of 1/2 or more) / 70 / 7 days or 120 / 14 days / reset after taking 36 hours off consecutive or 72 hours depending on the cylce. Con-way operates on 60 by policy though some are switching to 70.
Hope this helps!
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