XPO | vacation

[quote author=rightturn link=topic=78906.msg819102#msg819102 date=1270330920]
[quote author=Dude-PWB- link=topic=78906.msg819052#msg819052 date=1270318970]
Apparently this 'new vacation policy' was attempted in Canada but it didn't pan out for them. Any company can choose how their employees accrue vacation time, however, at the end of the day, it has to work out to two weeks per year for years 1-6 and 3 weeks per year thereafter. The accrual has always been based on a Jan-Dec (12 month) system, by which any vacation time earned in that year, was given the next year (after Jan 1st).

When they tried to implement the 'new policy' it was pointed out to them by Labour Canada that they would then be required to double the vacation time and vacation pay for the following year because the vacation time and pay had already been earned previously, and would continue to be earned going forward.

Needless to say, the new policy lost traction in a big hurry in Canada.
[/quote] That is very , very interesting and sounds quite logical. Can anyone verify this, could open a whole new can of worms. :banana:
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At the end of the day when you run a b@st@rd operation...based upon screwing the very people that work for you...

You are still a b@[email protected]rdless of the spin....

Rat
 
Let me reply to a few points:
I agree with the current vacation accural policy. All other companies I have worked for did it this way.
I DO NOT agree with the way they made the transition. They should have paid us for our previously accrued time.

I'll accept an incentive pay program that starts payout at the first dollar of profit...as long as the percentage of payout isn't radically different from what we were getting before. It's true that they can manipulate profit figures, but they could do that before too.

The new Cascadias aren't purchased...they're leased. No telling how long they leased them for, but at some point, the lease will be up, and they'll have to replace them. Hpoefully, it won't be in a down economy.
 
[quote author=Night Tripper link=topic=78906.msg818733#msg818733 date=1270251344]
Okay.. Correct me if I'm wrong. Does this mean that instead of waiting 15 years for 4 weeks vacation ( which is so Draconian in itself ) that one must add another year ie: 16 years? I have probably already worked 20 years in 14, if you add up all the overtime.
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No, it does not mean you have to wait an extra year. On your anniversary of your 15th year, you start accumulating time each day for your 4 weeks of vacation.
 
[quote author=Merdock link=topic=78906.msg818925#msg818925 date=1270298527]
[quote author=Anosyone link=topic=78906.msg818864#msg818864 date=1270269335]
For the senior drivers it is a big deal. Getting ready to get 5 weeks but with the way its done now I'll never get over 4 weeks.
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Absolutely true Merdock. Thanks for putting that out there. Maybe that will help others understand a little better.
you will get to your five weeks quicker under the new system. The very next pay period after your anniversary date of twenty years you will start earning at the next level. If in the last week of June you celebrate your twentieth annv. you will have six months at the new rate which will equal 2.5 extra days off this year instead of having to wait until the next calender year. Additionally, the negative ten day rule is not yearly. You can carry a negative balance passed December.
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[quote author=SEASIDE link=topic=78906.msg818973#msg818973 date=1270304796]
I don't care how you spin it. They stole 5 weeks from me and more or less from everyone else!
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Actually that is not true. They took away your ability to earn your vacation for one year. They didn't steal it, they just let you work for a whole year not accumulating vacation time.
 
[quote author=Rat link=topic=78906.msg819098#msg819098 date=1270330380]


Yet another inaccurate post from those who will accept anything handed down by the palace as factual...

very sad...

Rat
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for your viewing pleasure folks
"Time-off plans add flexibility" from July 1st of 2005
http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2005/07/04/focus2.html

Also, I know good fiction when I read it and maybe the following link can help those that are searching for their true callings.
"Entering and Winning at the Writing Contest Game"
http://www.publishingcentral.com/articles/20040219-87-2e24.html?si=1
 
[quote author=TiredDvrsWife link=topic=78906.msg818770#msg818770 date=1270261333]
I'm putting in a app to work call center for FedEx this Monday. Hopefully get a retirement package that will support me and hubby.
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They will probably move their call center to India or Pakistan, as we have already done with our I/T dept...............
 
[quote author=Merdock link=topic=78906.msg819393#msg819393 date=1270422976]
[quote author=Rat link=topic=78906.msg819098#msg819098 date=1270330380]


Yet another inaccurate post from those who will accept anything handed down by the palace as factual...

very sad...

Rat
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for your viewing pleasure folks
"Time-off plans add flexibility" from July 1st of 2005
http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2005/07/04/focus2.html

Also, I know good fiction when I read it and maybe the following link can help those that are searching for their true callings.
"Entering and Winning at the Writing Contest Game"
http://www.publishingcentral.com/articles/20040219-87-2e24.html?si=1
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Alright.....

If one wishes to believe the changes in the vacation policy is beneficial to them...then so be it.

The basic reason for the change has been explained...the policy has been replaced with the new and 'improved' method of accrual.

However I do have some questions...

What would have been wrong with taking the days assigned under the old policy and attributing the PTO attributes to those days?....

Day at time...and evidently hours at a time....

From what I have witnessed you can use this time in hourly increments.

Go home early...for illness or whatever reason and you are debitted what ever hours remain to attain your eight. This is done automatically...and evidently without recourse.

If this is such fine plan...why are you not given the choice of using these hours if needed or having the option of foregoing the use of same?

Its a sham...replace the old policy with this new disaster...repackage it...try to convince the rank and file they are better for it...and hopefully the lion's share of those affected will buy into it...it ain't working!...

The reasons for the change were clear to those of us who can recognize intent and BS...

Put whatever spin on it you want...color it in many pastels...tie any ribbon on the BS you wish...it is and remains nothing more than a pig with lipstick.

These fine people earned their vacation benefit...and it was promised to them at their point of employment...to arbitrarily and with malice change the policy for the sake of the spreadsheet is borderlining an ethics breach.

Maligning the benefits of your employees under the guise of survivability and then fund 'pet' projects on the backs of those people's livelihoods is wrong....

FWIW...I did find the 'fiction' statement interesting although inappropriate ...and I did check out the links...about half don't work....given the post I have read I am not surprised...no research...just hit and run...

BTW...the Kool-Aid goes down much better with Vodka...kills the unpleasant taste.

Rat
 
That's fine, I'll take unemployment and enjoy my time spring cleaning! :thumbsup: :biglaugh:

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[quote author=TiredDvrsWife link=topic=78906.msg818770#msg818770 date=1270261333]
I'm putting in a app to work call center for FedEx this Monday. Hopefully get a retirement package that will support me and hubby.
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They will probably move their call center to India or Pakistan, as we have already done with our I/T dept...............
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[quote author=bigfoot077 link=topic=78906.msg818674#msg818674 date=1270230864]
[quote author=magicman1966 link=topic=78906.msg818655#msg818655 date=1270225481]
Who took it? Con-Way didnt!!! All the did was change how you earned your vacation time. If you got vacation last year and you are getting it this, then nobody could have stole it from you. Granted it was a pile of crap, but in reality you didnt lose anything.
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The only thing about that is that we weren't earning any vacation time from April '09 to April '10. They didn't steal any vacation time, they just didn't credit us with any vacation for a whole year. They didn't take it, they just didn't give it. :busted:
[/quote]......................................Did conway advertise for paid vacation from 4/09 thru 4/10? Because if they did it wasnt legal there was no vacation time given in this period of time!They say they offer paid vacation time with employment but there was'nt
 
No matter how you slice it, dice it, or mix it up. Every single one of us got robbed of a years vacation. There is no way to justify it. Its WRONG!!!! Period,point, blank WTF!!! What are you going to do about it though???? Not much any of us can do except make a decision, show up to work today or not. As for myself, I guess I am going to suit up and show up.
 
I can confirm that it was in the plans to include us canadians in the new vacation policy... but our federal laws wouldn't allow it. They consulted with the canadian lawyers, and it is a no go. Should not open up a can of worms, it's just our laws are a wee bit different than yours, that's all.
 
[quote author=radman link=topic=78906.msg819601#msg819601 date=1270496594]
No matter how you slice it, dice it, or mix it up. Every single one of us got robbed of a years vacation. There is no way to justify it. Its WRONG!!!! Period,point, blank WTF!!! What are you going to do about it though???? Not much any of us can do except make a decision, show up to work today or not. As for myself, I guess I am going to suit up and show up.
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Yes you are right Radman, even John L. admitted that they stole our vacation and pto days, shortly after they did it. If he can admit that they stole from us, why can't everyone on here admit it too?
 
no information on this has been released... not until Monday's meeting. Declared inferior by who? I'll wait 'til Monday to form my opinion thank you. An opinion based on the facts of the program as communicated by my employer. The most successful years of ICP were always based on profits!

Watched the video...lots of comparisons to other carriers indicating they don't pay any bonuses at all.

Very strange coming from a company that just a few years ago always touted they were different.

Now by their own admission they are not. At least it seems this way when they are comparing our compensation plan with other companies.

Brucie made the statement that the payouts would not be as much as they were in the years of ICP...

Although we have received no ICP payments for a period of time...the VPP is inferior to the ICP plan as explained...

I am curious about the 'unsustainable' part...by whose determination was this assessed?.

Rat
 
also remember the mims activation for the rest of the company...50mil.investment....there goes some of the so called bonus money
 
One of the major problems I see is if a person goes out on family medical leave or on personal disability or even workers comp. In years past, we earned our days the year prior, you didn't have to worry about having the 2 weeks of time off to cover these 2 weeks before comp or disability kicked in. Now if something happens at the beginning of the year, what happens? You don't have that 2 week cushion, or you go negitive. And what if your out the remainder of the year, do you have to pay the company back? Just wondering!! Hope we never really have to find out, but you know we will. Good luck all and be safe!!!

And let us all hope Jake gets his money and the tatas!!! :clap:
 
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