A driver working at an FAC a few nights ago had a forklift go off the dock. Thankfully , nobody hurt. ( the driver was not on it). The lift was checked , driver taken out of service and had to cushion home. Going by company policy the driver will be let go. Will the appeal process give the driver a chance? Does the process take into account years of accident-free service? If you are let go due to something like this , what gets reported to other trucking companies?
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wonderring99
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According to policy he will be let go ... as far as other companies calling about him .. con way can only acknowledge that he was an employee form x - x and tell he was fired .. that is all they are allowed to tell by law.
[quote author=mikkej2k link=topic=81910.msg845595#msg845595 date=1278834977]
A driver working at an FAC a few nights ago had a forklift go off the dock. Thankfully , nobody hurt. ( the driver was not on it). The lift was checked , driver taken out of service and had to cushion home. Going by company policy the driver will be let go. Will the appeal process give the driver a chance? Does the process take into account years of accident-free service? If you are let go due to something like this , what gets reported to other trucking companies?
[/quote]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOPbN7OkjVo
A driver working at an FAC a few nights ago had a forklift go off the dock. Thankfully , nobody hurt. ( the driver was not on it). The lift was checked , driver taken out of service and had to cushion home. Going by company policy the driver will be let go. Will the appeal process give the driver a chance? Does the process take into account years of accident-free service? If you are let go due to something like this , what gets reported to other trucking companies?
[/quote]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOPbN7OkjVo
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They are pretty exsplicit about that policy!! According to HR even if one wheel goes off the dock you can be terminated, Hopefully if that one wheel goes off your co-workers will help you get it right!!!
[quote author=mikkej2k link=topic=81910.msg845595#msg845595 date=1278834977]
A driver working at an FAC a few nights ago had a forklift go off the dock. Thankfully , nobody hurt. ( the driver was not on it). The lift was checked , driver taken out of service and had to cushion home. Going by company policy the driver will be let go. Will the appeal process give the driver a chance? Does the process take into account years of accident-free service? If you are let go due to something like this , what gets reported to other trucking companies?
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The termination will be automatic.
It is the company's way of clearing the desk. Everyone is guilty til they prove themselves innocent. It absolves the company from any real investigative responsibility...plus it looks good in court in case of any legal action. Case in point...the XDY driver terminated after being involved in a fatal accident even thought the State of Indiana absolved him of any guilt.
This kind of stunning abuse would make Joseph Stalin blush.
Plus the Safety Dept. is staffed by people who have absolutely no idea of what truck driving and the LTL business entails.
Just a bunch of college grads with a policy manual and the power to assert blame. And an edict from the company to freely use that power to the detriment of the driver. Case in point Steve D. from the XCN district...completely and utterly clueless!
Guilty till proven innocent.
(And AA wonders why they aren't getting many applications...DUH!!!)
There is an appeals process...it works like this.
If the offending individual is someone they would just as soon be rid of then game over...
On the other hand if the offending individual is someone who is perceived as an asset...someone whose departure would be viewed as a loss...then all will be forgiven. The person may lose a week or two of pay but they will retain their job.
Your associate should not count on the latter response...this will only happen if he is in excellent standing with his SC's TM.
One can be with this company for over 20 years and make one mistake and they will fire you no questions asked as it looks good to OSHA, the insurance companies, and lawyers.
This is how the company views your dedication and years of service.
So the question comes mind....are you willing to put your trust and your family's financial livelihood in the hands of a bunch of abusive neanderthals whose perception of your skills and abilities falls something short of a stray cat.
Make one mistake and your tenure is erased without the slightest regard for you, your family, or your future.
No can do.
This is an organization on its way out. Many in the employ of the company will deride me for saying it...but it is the truth. They have systematically and with prejudice removed any desire to continue one's employment and have patted themselves on the back for having done so...high fives everywhere...and with blind ignorance think of themselves as innovative, progressive, and on the rise. Sounds much like the rantings of the Third Reich!
People are leaving...it is being kept quiet as possible...but nonetheless the exodus has begun.
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A driver working at an FAC a few nights ago had a forklift go off the dock. Thankfully , nobody hurt. ( the driver was not on it). The lift was checked , driver taken out of service and had to cushion home. Going by company policy the driver will be let go. Will the appeal process give the driver a chance? Does the process take into account years of accident-free service? If you are let go due to something like this , what gets reported to other trucking companies?
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The termination will be automatic.
It is the company's way of clearing the desk. Everyone is guilty til they prove themselves innocent. It absolves the company from any real investigative responsibility...plus it looks good in court in case of any legal action. Case in point...the XDY driver terminated after being involved in a fatal accident even thought the State of Indiana absolved him of any guilt.
This kind of stunning abuse would make Joseph Stalin blush.
Plus the Safety Dept. is staffed by people who have absolutely no idea of what truck driving and the LTL business entails.
Just a bunch of college grads with a policy manual and the power to assert blame. And an edict from the company to freely use that power to the detriment of the driver. Case in point Steve D. from the XCN district...completely and utterly clueless!
Guilty till proven innocent.
(And AA wonders why they aren't getting many applications...DUH!!!)
There is an appeals process...it works like this.
If the offending individual is someone they would just as soon be rid of then game over...
On the other hand if the offending individual is someone who is perceived as an asset...someone whose departure would be viewed as a loss...then all will be forgiven. The person may lose a week or two of pay but they will retain their job.
Your associate should not count on the latter response...this will only happen if he is in excellent standing with his SC's TM.
One can be with this company for over 20 years and make one mistake and they will fire you no questions asked as it looks good to OSHA, the insurance companies, and lawyers.
This is how the company views your dedication and years of service.
So the question comes mind....are you willing to put your trust and your family's financial livelihood in the hands of a bunch of abusive neanderthals whose perception of your skills and abilities falls something short of a stray cat.
Make one mistake and your tenure is erased without the slightest regard for you, your family, or your future.
No can do.
This is an organization on its way out. Many in the employ of the company will deride me for saying it...but it is the truth. They have systematically and with prejudice removed any desire to continue one's employment and have patted themselves on the back for having done so...high fives everywhere...and with blind ignorance think of themselves as innovative, progressive, and on the rise. Sounds much like the rantings of the Third Reich!
People are leaving...it is being kept quiet as possible...but nonetheless the exodus has begun.
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about a month ago, a new driver from my barn was at an FAC. he docked his freight, he jumped off the forklift to clip up his paperwork, he set the parking brake and the lift drove off the dock. he's back at work now.
i guess the shop took a look at the brake and said that it wasnt working properly.
but he is definitely back to work. and his lift definitely went of the dock. this happened out west.
i guess the shop took a look at the brake and said that it wasnt working properly.
but he is definitely back to work. and his lift definitely went of the dock. this happened out west.
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[quote author=justlikefrank link=topic=81910.msg845811#msg845811 date=1278874229]
about a month ago, a new driver from my barn was at an FAC. he docked his freight, he jumped off the forklift to clip up his paperwork, he set the parking brake and the lift drove off the dock. he's back at work now.
i guess the shop took a look at the brake and said that it wasnt working properly.
but he is definitely back to work. and his lift definitely went of the dock. this happened out west.
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You can bet he sat at home without pay!!
about a month ago, a new driver from my barn was at an FAC. he docked his freight, he jumped off the forklift to clip up his paperwork, he set the parking brake and the lift drove off the dock. he's back at work now.
i guess the shop took a look at the brake and said that it wasnt working properly.
but he is definitely back to work. and his lift definitely went of the dock. this happened out west.
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You can bet he sat at home without pay!!
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[quote author=justlikefrank link=topic=81910.msg845811#msg845811 date=1278874229]
about a month ago, a new driver from my barn was at an FAC. he docked his freight, he jumped off the forklift to clip up his paperwork, he set the parking brake and the lift drove off the dock. he's back at work now.
i guess the shop took a look at the brake and said that it wasnt working properly.
but he is definitely back to work. and his lift definitely went of the dock. this happened out west.
[/quote]This guy must've been in good standing with the company. A good, helpful employee. That's why he kept his job. There is nothing wrong with being a good, productive, and cooperative employee.
about a month ago, a new driver from my barn was at an FAC. he docked his freight, he jumped off the forklift to clip up his paperwork, he set the parking brake and the lift drove off the dock. he's back at work now.
i guess the shop took a look at the brake and said that it wasnt working properly.
but he is definitely back to work. and his lift definitely went of the dock. this happened out west.
[/quote]This guy must've been in good standing with the company. A good, helpful employee. That's why he kept his job. There is nothing wrong with being a good, productive, and cooperative employee.
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what does it cost to install heavy chains across the dock doors and is it an osha related consideration? The company has safety as on of its core values, but no sort of barrier by the dock doors.
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As Mike Rowe of Dirty Jobs would say, "Safety Third". 
[quote author=justlikefrank link=topic=81910.msg845811#msg845811 date=1278874229]
about a month ago, a new driver from my barn was at an FAC. he docked his freight, he jumped off the forklift to clip up his paperwork, he set the parking brake and the lift drove off the dock. he's back at work now.
i guess the shop took a look at the brake and said that it wasnt working properly.
but he is definitely back to work. and his lift definitely went of the dock. this happened out west.
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Sounds like someone didn't put it in neutral. Seen this many times, luckily without anyone getting hurt or killed. These things weigh 5-6k, are solid steel, and don't give two sh*ts about what they crush. Can we start paying a little more attention around them?
Also, how many times have you actually bothered to take the time to bring a piece of equipment to the shop for a safety issue? I guarantee it doesn't happen nearly as much as it should. I know this because of the comments I get when I do.
about a month ago, a new driver from my barn was at an FAC. he docked his freight, he jumped off the forklift to clip up his paperwork, he set the parking brake and the lift drove off the dock. he's back at work now.
i guess the shop took a look at the brake and said that it wasnt working properly.
but he is definitely back to work. and his lift definitely went of the dock. this happened out west.
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Sounds like someone didn't put it in neutral. Seen this many times, luckily without anyone getting hurt or killed. These things weigh 5-6k, are solid steel, and don't give two sh*ts about what they crush. Can we start paying a little more attention around them?
Also, how many times have you actually bothered to take the time to bring a piece of equipment to the shop for a safety issue? I guarantee it doesn't happen nearly as much as it should. I know this because of the comments I get when I do.
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[quote author=primadona link=topic=81910.msg846402#msg846402 date=1278986701]
Sounds like someone didn't put it in neutral. Seen this many times, luckily without anyone getting hurt or killed. These things weigh 5-6k, are solid steel, and don't give two sh*ts about what they crush. Can we start paying a little more attention around them?
Also, how many times have you actually bothered to take the time to bring a piece of equipment to the shop for a safety issue? I guarantee it doesn't happen nearly as much as it should. I know this because of the comments I get when I do.
[/quote]Also supposed to turn it off.
Sounds like someone didn't put it in neutral. Seen this many times, luckily without anyone getting hurt or killed. These things weigh 5-6k, are solid steel, and don't give two sh*ts about what they crush. Can we start paying a little more attention around them?
Also, how many times have you actually bothered to take the time to bring a piece of equipment to the shop for a safety issue? I guarantee it doesn't happen nearly as much as it should. I know this because of the comments I get when I do.
[/quote]Also supposed to turn it off.
What really pisses me off is the condition a lot of the forklifts are in. I was on a forklift the other night and the brakes grabbed so hard that you had to brace yourself before touching the pedal . Plus tires so square that your back hurts after a long night of thump thump thump!!!!
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tires cost money.
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Your right!!!! They are better off spending it on a car to watch go around in circles until it crashes and also for Motel Rooms , Dinners and paid days and weeks off for the :buttkisser: and wives to play super trucker and driver around some little orange cones. They should sure be home driving thru construction on the highway. With all of the financial emergencies that is coming up like being our own bank and insurance premiums going up it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth making such a fuss over this type of unnecessary :
: . Please forgive my attitude on that subject but personally I don't feel the need to prove myself to anyone. I have survived and lived thru enough in my life I need to prove absolutely nothing to anyone but God himself. If I want to compete in something it would be Bass Tournaments or on the Firing Line shooting competition.
tires cost money.
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Your right!!!! They are better off spending it on a car to watch go around in circles until it crashes and also for Motel Rooms , Dinners and paid days and weeks off for the :buttkisser: and wives to play super trucker and driver around some little orange cones. They should sure be home driving thru construction on the highway. With all of the financial emergencies that is coming up like being our own bank and insurance premiums going up it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth making such a fuss over this type of unnecessary :
: . Please forgive my attitude on that subject but personally I don't feel the need to prove myself to anyone. I have survived and lived thru enough in my life I need to prove absolutely nothing to anyone but God himself. If I want to compete in something it would be Bass Tournaments or on the Firing Line shooting competition.
[quote author=gunner1119 link=topic=81910.msg846540#msg846540 date=1279035745]
What really pisses me off is the condition a lot of the forklifts are in. I was on a forklift the other night and the brakes grabbed so hard that you had to brace yourself before touching the pedal . Plus tires so square that your back hurts after a long night of thump thump thump!!!!
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Unfortunately, this is from some extremely uneducated drivers/dockworkers that seem to think the only way to get freight to move fast is by spinning the tires, or riding the brakes while keeping the throttle pinned. If we want things to work properly, we need to take care of things...the company can only do so much.
I know one company that a wheel spin on a forklift is a warning for the first offence, and dismissal for the second offence. Not saying this is the answer, but sometimes stupid people need stupid rules to control their actions.
A great quote once read: "I'm not saying stupidity should be illegal, all I'm saying is maybe we should remove those safety tags and let the problem take care of itself"
Words of wisdom my friends...
What really pisses me off is the condition a lot of the forklifts are in. I was on a forklift the other night and the brakes grabbed so hard that you had to brace yourself before touching the pedal . Plus tires so square that your back hurts after a long night of thump thump thump!!!!
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Unfortunately, this is from some extremely uneducated drivers/dockworkers that seem to think the only way to get freight to move fast is by spinning the tires, or riding the brakes while keeping the throttle pinned. If we want things to work properly, we need to take care of things...the company can only do so much.
I know one company that a wheel spin on a forklift is a warning for the first offence, and dismissal for the second offence. Not saying this is the answer, but sometimes stupid people need stupid rules to control their actions.
A great quote once read: "I'm not saying stupidity should be illegal, all I'm saying is maybe we should remove those safety tags and let the problem take care of itself"
Words of wisdom my friends...
[quote author=gunner1119 link=topic=81910.msg846540#msg846540 date=1279035745]
What really pisses me off is the condition a lot of the forklifts are in. I was on a forklift the other night and the brakes grabbed so hard that you had to brace yourself before touching the pedal . Plus tires so square that your back hurts after a long night of thump thump thump!!!!
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You, of course, red-tagged it and took it to the shop, right?
What really pisses me off is the condition a lot of the forklifts are in. I was on a forklift the other night and the brakes grabbed so hard that you had to brace yourself before touching the pedal . Plus tires so square that your back hurts after a long night of thump thump thump!!!!
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You, of course, red-tagged it and took it to the shop, right?
The driver in my posting had the lift go off of the dock the Friday/Saturday before the 4th of July. The conference call for the appeal was today. Our driver was allowed to keep this job. When I spoke to the driver just before the appeal , I asked " Did someone else bump your lift?" The answer was no. The driver owned up and didn't blame anyone else or beat around the bush. This is the second driver from our barn that has won a second chance after an appeal , with an incident involving a forklift in roughly a year. I don't know what the reason was for keeping the driver in the most recent mishap , but it is worth mentioning that this DSR is thought of overall as a hard worker by peers and management. Also , for coworkers that wanted to voice their support for this driver , there was an e-mail address given. This may have helped as well. BTW this driver that got reinstated: NOT AN ASS KISSER- I repeat - NOT AN ASS KISSER. I hope this may help another driver .... It has been a little over a year since a driver from our barn was involved in an awful wreck and loss of life. Even though he was not charged , he was let go. The point is be careful and follow the rules - and even then , I wish you good luck because you will need it.
[quote author=primadona link=topic=81910.msg846743#msg846743 date=1279076521]
You, of course, red-tagged it and took it to the shop, right?
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All FACs don't have shops. RED TAG!!!! WHAT A JOKE. That fork lift has been red tagged several times in the last 2 years over this same thing and all that happens is they say nothings is wrong with it and rip it off.
You, of course, red-tagged it and took it to the shop, right?
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All FACs don't have shops. RED TAG!!!! WHAT A JOKE. That fork lift has been red tagged several times in the last 2 years over this same thing and all that happens is they say nothings is wrong with it and rip it off.