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Muler said:
I understand and can accept the fact that a Brother gets elected and holds his seniority at the barn in the Local he was elected. But I do feel that if there is a change of operations and he bids into another Local he should leave on the same date as all the other Brothers. I do not feel he should be allowed to stay and when he is either not re-elected or reappointed then he transfers. No if you bid it you should have to fill it right away. YOUR BROTHER ALWAYS!
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Interesting and obviously a controversial thought. And how would this apply to the B/A's who's companies go out of business?
Just Asking.
 
ABFer said:
Interesting and obviously a controversial thought. And how would this apply to the B/A's who's companies go out of business?
Just Asking.
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Unless he/she retired after being a BA....they would have nowhere to go, as it happen to many who were at CF. Article 21 not only protects the senority of those off for UB....but insures ANYBODY can run for office without worry of loosing their jobs.

Think a minute....your a young upstart, and because of ART21, you take on a long time officer in the Local and unseat him. You are protected while running a campaign and when you win, you are protected in having a job to come back to later.

Art21 was modified by Ron Carey to get rank and file drivers involved in organizing, as that was whom he wanted to be out there trying to get drivers organized. Those who knew of the crafts, and had lived it.
It does want it does....protects a member's senority, some of you are trying to make more of it.....KK
 
ABFer said:
Interesting and obviously a controversial thought. And how would this apply to the B/A's who's companies go out of business?
Just Asking.
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Your question sort of came up in 407. We had a 25 year trustee get canned because the company he worked for (DHL) all but ceased operations in Cleveland. And since he could not find any work in his trade the Boss of the Local got rid of him. But another guy that is the vice president can stay because he is full time at the hall. I have no problem with a guy keeping his seniority at his home terminal but if he bids a transfer bid then I feel he must go when everyone else has to report. I agree that the contract allowing elected officials the right to maintain their seniority at their terminal was a good idea for that purpose. YOUR BROTHER ALWAYS!
 
hey muler you have to look at it this way. if the guy has a job at the hall he stays there till hes voted out. when he bids a transfer at the gaining terminal he will go there when his time is up at the hall. in the meantime there is onemore person who could be workin at both barns. look at the places the carlise people have to transfer to. most of those jobs will be filled with the people on lay off at these small barns. We had a man bid a job in new haven ct 20 years ago he never made it there but the point is he opened up a spot at both barns. do you get it now. ps maybe il see you at 065 someday and explain it to ya. ta ta.
 
millertime said:
hey muler you have to look at it this way. if the guy has a job at the hall he stays there till hes voted out. when he bids a transfer at the gaining terminal he will go there when his time is up at the hall. in the meantime there is onemore person who could be workin at both barns. look at the places the carlise people have to transfer to. most of those jobs will be filled with the people on lay off at these small barns. We had a man bid a job in new haven ct 20 years ago he never made it there but the point is he opened up a spot at both barns. do you get it now. ps maybe il see you at 065 someday and explain it to ya. ta ta.
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I don't need you to explain it to me but thanks anyways. You also have to look at it as if he does not bid it then some still gets to have a job. And when you come to Cleveland I will explain it to you. Here is a little information for you to chew on. What if a elected official or appointed official bids a location and a Brother can not follow the work and he gets laid off at his home terminal but could have transferred to the gaining terminal and continued working. So if you look at the different things that could happen if they are allowed to bid and do not transfer. I hope to see you in Cleveland(065). Hey the hell with seeing me there on your way thru I hope you take the transfer to 065! YOUR BROTHER ALWAYS!
 
Here for the sake of arguing. NO ELECTED OFFICIAL OR APPOINTED OFFICIAL should be treated any BETTER than a WORKING TEAMSTER! YOUR BROTHER ALWAYS! What would you do if you had a chance to go to a different terminal but was denied the chance because a union official bid it and never took it? And don't say it has never happened because it has. What is good for one should be good for all. YOUR BROTHER ALWAYS!
 
woodennose said:
Heck the only way I would ever transfer to 065 is if they would put the tv back in the drivers room down stairs.:LMAO:
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Now there is a old school driver. We have not had a TV down there for years. Remember we had one in each break room. It is good to hear from someone from back in the day. YOUR BROTHER ALWAYS!
 
I used to go through 065 just about every night in the mid 90's. I heard the reason they took the tv out is because some one, well Id rather not say why!! Keep on truckin Brother.
Muler said:
Now there is a old school driver. We have not had a TV down there for years. Remember we had one in each break room. It is good to hear from someone from back in the day. YOUR BROTHER ALWAYS!
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woodennose said:
I used to go through 065 just about every night in the mid 90's. I heard the reason they took the tv out is because some one, well Id rather not say why!! Keep on truckin Brother.
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That is what the TM said but we never believed it. YOUR BROTHER ALWAYS!
 
millertime said:
ok il think about it. with 22 years how would i fit in at 065.
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Real well. You could be working UE or city on days. besides you could take a break from all those hotel rooms and nightmares about all those big boned girls running you down. lol YOUR BROTHER ALWAYS!
 
Here is another reason I have a problem with this allowing elected officials to bid a transfer and not move until they are voted out or no longer appointed.
They can keep their company seniority at their home terminal and when voted out or no longer appointed and I see no problem there
But here is what shows that they are ENTITLED! They are afforded this choice but why doesn't the elected officials from yrc also take part in the 15% give back and pension deferral and subsequent pension reductions and penalties?
That is one reason that it looks as though they are ENTITLED. After all if they can bid then they should also help CARRY THE WATER LIKE EVERYONE ELSE! I am not slamming anyone in particular I am just pointing out that they receive the best of the contract and committee rulings but not the bad. YOUR NOT ENTITLED BROTHER ALWAYS!
 
KK this is not a slam against you. After all I would be more upset if you tried to force yrc and the IBT to inflict the sanctions on yourself. No this decision was above your locals level. After all Tyson would not do such a thing to himself. I am just pointing out things that are different than what we are afforded. YOUR BROTHER ALWAYS!
 
Is it just me or would you say Tyson is the most disliked Teamster of modern times? He has in my opinion lied I feel and he seems to be easily controlled by the company labor people and he never stands his ground for us.
I have heard him boom and say BY GOD it will be this way only to buckle under the pressure of the companies. Why has there not been any word from the IBT about this ABF change?
In my past expediences when something is not talked about that is a BAD THING! He still to this day has not apologized for his part in the BEG BACK SCHEME!
And that comes along with the assumption of ENTITLEMENT! After all who are we for him to have to say he is sorry.
He has to know that we will win out in the end.
YOUR BROTHER ALWAYS!
 
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