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billybigriggr

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Why you should think about doing or not doing it.
The problem was operating costs were too high. A lot of factors can make or break an IC. A large part of it was Fuel, then repairs, but dispatch, and the part of the country operated in was a big "Major" part of the expense. As an IC you ned to be able to control your own dispatch. If someone else is doing it for you, it can cause problems. Personalities can get in the way of profits. Ex: An IC a top earner, and helped dispatch out everytime he could. A load came up that dispatch wanted him to move but he could not do it. Dispatch had no one else to do it, and begged him. He could not do it he had an abscessed tooth. On his next available dispatch the dispatchers punished him. They sent him to El Paso, after he arrived there dispatch made promises each day that never materialized. They stuck him out there with no options. Usually when he got punished by dispatch for something he would have to make it back home on his own nickle. He did not deserve to be punished, he was a top earner. He could not understand why they were punishing him. When I say punishment, His punishment was of the financial sort.
Even though you may already own the truck outright. Costs could not justify doing it.
I was not able to pay my own personal bills, even though I ran the maximum mileage and maxed out my dot hours each week. I was using income tax money to pay my personal bills, and it caused a major penalty and back tax problem with the IRS. It was robbing peter to pay paul.
Everyone wanted money from that business that just was not there. I used TA and Petro truckstops for my monthly oil changes, and found that they both were faking and charging for services they did not perform. example: After years of paying for lube jobs during oil changes I found that they were not doing the job, but still charging the fees. The nonlube deal ended up a major expense, causing a breakdown and large repair bill in the end. The truck had an automatic luber that was non functional, and I thought it was disconnected. Found out that it had to be removed in order for the truck to be lubricated manually. The mechanics at these places knew it, but did not tell. Yet, charged the fee.
Even some of the scale house personnel would (create "fake" log violations) or know about standard truck model manufacturer violations that had to be repaired and paid, at a hundred or more dollars a pop it was another major expense. I never understood why some of these folks treat the drivers like complete "buffoons". Never seen such hatred from people like in some of the scale houses.:stirthepot: Some of the people working at the chicken coops acted like enemies fighting in a battle (guess who the enemy was). Its like they hate the drivers, they will even place false reports on a drivers DAC to try to destroy his driving ability. IC's need good legal representation to fight some of the lies they tell. OOIDA is good to be a part of. They really help IC's. I know they have seen some mess cross over their desks.
People did not understand how $160k gross turned into less than $15k net at years end, and thought it was one big lie. It goes on from here, I could continue... The one thing that I was able to do was pay off a truck, but it was not worth anything after a rod blew, and I could not recover any costs out of it. When it blew I had just spend close to $5K getting the rollers replaced.
Bottom line. there were too many things working against becoming successful in that business. I think that this is why most people fail in the business. Not to go negative about it. But, this was the experience. Companies like Swft, England, Werner, Schneider, all have some good statistics on Owner Operator failure rates. This is why many might fail at it.
 
A lot of trades have gone south due to people that will work for free. An unfortunate reality. Btw... Wrong forum.
 
I can only say while not great these days this is a nice example how much power you have as an individual . You are at the mercy of ur dispatch. And well lets see IC. Cannot form unions so what could he do about sadly being screwed while being a tremendous driver for a company -nothing. Thats why they love them IC , wait till the day comes. Then grind your teeth cuz u cant do nothing at all. those sharks will eat u up. Its sad , real sad . Unions ar not perfect but im sure all thoses ceos wish all of us where IC . I respect all profesional drivers but i would leave this field before i become a IC .
 
A lot of trades have gone south due to people that will work for free. An unfortunate reality..

Yea, but see the thing is that it does not seem like it (working for free I mean). Checks come in anywhere from $1900-$2500 per week. The money comes in and goes right back out on expenses. Plus, an IC is taxed at that amount then after being taxed once is taxed again at 15% for 1099 income (self employment).
I wrote about this because Roadway is the company that made that type of business popular. Fedex ground (RPS) is outperforming Fedex Freight as well as Fedex express and even UPS in overall tonnage. Fedex express is talking layoffs because the business has shifted over to fedex ground (RPS). This company Fedex ground was Roadway Package System (RPS) started by ROADWAY. fedex bought RPS in the 90s. Thats why this is relevant here. Many companys want to follow the RPS business model because they are operating on an outdated cost structure. I'm posting here because I work here, and I want to help someone else learn from my mistakes if they get laidoff and think it might be worth playing a hand in the IC game. Not bragin but, I was actually offered a million dollar contract per year with a company based upon my overall performance and work ethic. All I had to do was buy the trucks and hire the drivers. "I got bit once, and I wouldnt get bit twice.
"So, I'm thinkin that what I write here can be looked upon as trustworthy advice". It might just help someone else, or someone that knows someone wanting to get in the IC game. Its all about a hand of help.:nut_kick:
 
Lager,
I respectfully disagree, as times get tougher, as our jobs become less stable, this is an option that some will look at.

Billy,
I am truly blessed by having grown up in our industry, being the son and grand son of truck drivers, in fact, my Grandfather, before WWI drove a team of draft horses and wagon, hauling rock from the quarries to build roads (as a side note, he was one of the first in our part of the country to have a Union card).

Anyway, in 1992 I came to a cross roads in life, I was driving for a small local Co. and with my family growing, was no longer making enough to provide for my family in a way I thought they should be provided for (in other words, I could no longer get away with cheating on my log books and running double the miles).

I went to my Dad with the idea of buying my own truck. Like I said, I am blessed by having someone to mentor me and we sat down over a cup of coffee and crunched the numbers. What we came up with is pretty much what your first post states, at the end of the day, I would have been breaking even and if something let go....Well, then your in the hole.

Because the man took the time to sit down and guide me, my first year driving for Overnite, I made twice what I was making, driving half the miles.

For anyone vaguely thinking about this option, I would suggest that you think about it long and hard, be honest with yourself and run the numbers. This post, my opinion and a buck will get ya a cup of coffee, D.
 
Lager,
I respectfully disagree, as times get tougher, as our jobs become less stable, this is an option that some will look at.


For anyone vaguely thinking about this option, I would suggest that you think about it long and hard, be honest with yourself and run the numbers. This post, my opinion and a buck will get ya a cup of coffee, D.

Great post little d!

Some might contradict this post and say they know someone thats IC and doing well at it.
Ok, I know someone he is earning around $80000 per year. Here is the catch, he has 5 trucks on with Fedex ground, thats only $16K per year per truck profit. Thats what I ended up with at years end with one truck, but this was after some strong negotiating was done with the IRS (plus alot of bills went unpaid which caused adverse legal action and it was a deep pit, difficult to get out of).
I wished he could but, He will not keep all of this $80K due to repairs that will inevitably come up. Plus, he has got to be able to retain all of his drivers- no sickness- team truck operating non stop, and no accident penalties. which is a headache. Plus someone else (another IC) is standing out looking for opportunities to take his runs away from him by brown nosing the management.
He is retired, and he began with it when "Roadway" (im keepin this relevant here) first started RPS so he was able to retain most of the best runs. So, this is one success story.
But, the thing is that there are drivers up here that are earning this without any of the headaches. I know some have wondered about ICin with a place like FDX ground because we see these guys on the pike all the time pulling triples. And from the outside it looks like they are doin pretty good.
 
why bother even trying to wake people up, there is a sucker born every minute and anyone who does any sort of internet research with an open mind will run like heck. People can't accept the fact there are lots of morons who will lie like heck they are doing great while making next to nothing.
 
It's doable, but you have know the market and have the ability to pick the loads that get you somewhere there is more freight, I have a buddy that runs flat bed, takes care of the truck, fixes it correctly knows what look for and can manage most of his own problems. Don't expect to be home every week currently I see him once a month but he's been doing it 30 years and knows the ins and outs.
 
It's doable, but you have know the market and have the ability to pick the loads that get you somewhere there is more freight, I have a buddy that runs flat bed, takes care of the truck, fixes it correctly knows what look for and can manage most of his own problems. Don't expect to be home every week currently I see him once a month but he's been doing it 30 years and knows the ins and outs.

the above is why it's waste of time making (( don't do it posts ))
Along will come somebody and say something like the above and it's all people want to hear.
The guy made money years ago when times where better and can afford to ride outthe ups and downs and be picky. Might even be married to a cash cow wife or have a military pension which helps take care of the bill at home so it's just a hobby for the guy and if he makes a few bucks it helps with the household bills.

some poor smuck without a pot to pee in and crappy credit will sign on the dotted line and be a sharecropper owned by the MAN who will know it and exploit the poor guy for all he is worth while the guys life gets ruined because there is always somebody to say they know this guy who does fine at it.

No mention if the buddy is married with children and a mortgage and the main bread winner, could be living in a house he inherited.

Some poor sap desperate to support a family will think it will work because some guy on the internet said his buddy does good at it.

All people want to hear is somebody saying it ill work and they will go for it. Doesn't matter if countless people say otherwsie, they will still do it.
 
It's simple he learned how to make money with his own truck, it's not easy and it's 7 day a week job, he's not living in the lap of luxury but he makes money, paid off the house, truck and trailer and pays cash for what ever I do for him. Point is you have to learn quick where the money is and what you have to do to make it, you are the sales dept, the dispatcher, and the maintenance dept, it's not for everybody and takes a unique set of skills to make it work today.
 
It is a lot of risk and some reward. What needs to be discussed is that ltl trucking companies are making the company driver/ independent contractor decision. We all assume it is our decision. If tomorrow we are told buy the truck or hit the road, half the issue was decided without us.
 
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