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Did junior jimmy sell us down the river because he is so incompetent, he thought that this was a good deal ? Or because that by us passing this contract he will get ABF to drop the lawsuit ?
I personally think that a lawsuit deal is in the works.
 
Jimmy Jr. wants to get out of ltl trucking because the Teamsters Union see's no future in it. They are only interested in your union dues. Imo.
 
A history lesson will tell us that of the two hundred or so LTL lines in the past that were organized only a handful remain. ABF is the only one left paying full pension benefits. When reality sets in you realize this is not 1975. Deregulation in 1980 & the 94 freight strike forever changed the LTL industry & the Teamster influence in the trucking industry. If ABF goes out of business the Teamsters will also be out of the trucking industry because YRC will follow. UPS freight might survive but they don't pay into the pension funds like ABF. I talked face to face with Jim Hoffa many years ago & he realizes the significance of losing another Teamster carrier. The non union lines don't pay the wages & benefits like ABF & will probably pay even less if there are no more Teamster lines to set the standard. A job in the trucking industry would not be a desirable occupation with no one to fight for the average worker. Anybody that works for a non union carrier had better hope that ABF & YRC survive.
 
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Did junior jimmy sell us down the river because he is so incompetent, he thought that this was a good deal ? Or because that by us passing this contract he will get ABF to drop the lawsuit ?
I personally think that a lawsuit deal is in the works.
I think he's incompetent and he doesn't care.
Jimmy Jr. wants to get out of ltl trucking because the Teamsters Union see's no future in it. They are only interested in your union dues. Imo.
He is also tired of us noisy, cantankerous indigents giving him static all the time. We vote in high percentages and make our voices heard when we are unhappy. UPS only votes 35%, school districts about 25% and they keep their grumblings low keyed.
 
I believe that the current Teamster leadership is more interested in representing public employees because that workforce will continue to grow as they (the workers) vote for the publicly elected officials that will always "sell" better wages and benefits. If I could go back 25 years, I would have decided to be a teacher, policeman or firefighter. Private unions will continue to diminish as globalization, profits over people and the fact that companies can't afford legacy costs. Heck, in most private companies you are lucky to get a 401k with a match, but every public job comes with a pension that is supplemented by my/your tax dollars. I'm convinced that the Teamsters are abandoning the private sector in favor of the public sector.
 
I think losing the freight industry to non union carriers would reflect failure for the Teamsters. I don't think Hoffa or any other Teamster wants that.
 
I think its a travesty for him and those below him to destroy the NMFA, you know the book that his Dad made...people died over. he, Sweeton and Johnson **** over their memories along with the majority that voted this in.. Congrats.
 
My oh my, I used to be called a card carrying **** for saying what you all are saying now. I guess I was RIGHT all along?
 
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My oh my, I used to be called a card carrying **** for saying what you all are saying now. I guess I was all along?[/
The union should have been embarrassed to bring this contract to the table. Judy and the boys probably fell out of their chairs when they heard it passed on the first go round.ABF was bombarding us with propaganda in the mail and work videos, meanwhile, where was my union in response to this ? I received a cd on the same day I received my ballot.almost like they was representing the company instead of us, telling us this was something we could be proud of. Yea I am a disgruntled teamster,lets vote for a change next time around and put some fresh people in office who have our interest at heart, not someone trying to protect their union position.
 
I think losing the freight industry to non union carriers would reflect failure for the Teamsters. I don't think Hoffa or any other Teamster wants that.

what do you mean by losing. the correct term is lost, as i see with this contract most large non union carriers are paying more than the union carriers. lack of organizing in the industry has caused it to plummet. failure failure failure
 
what do you mean by losing. the correct term is lost, as i see with this contract most large non union carriers are paying more than the union carriers. lack of organizing in the industry has caused it to plummet. failure failure failure
There are many things I do not like about this contract but one does have to admit that when you include fully paid healthcare and $7.00/hr into our pension fund we still cost the company more than any of those others do.
 
After reading the previous posts before this one. (sorry I don't know how to clip and paste the quotes I like ). I think it is time to start a new union to represent us in the freight industry. I mean ABF,YRC and the others. Since all good things develop with just a thought, I do not have the details worked out. I don't even know if there is support to do it. I do know we can decertify the union that represents us. I would not like losing what the TEAMSTERS meant to the trucking industry but jr. and company seem not to care at all.I will try to find time to see if this is feasible and will let you know. Anyone with ideas please contact me as I am serious looking into this as much as i can. I know this is probably a bold step to take, but how much crap are we supposed to take from jimmy and the companies ?
 
BTW, cropduster, means to fart and carry the smell in front of someones face.... To the guy that started this post,,, slang/cropduster
 
Starting a separate union for the freight companies is not a realistic option unless you want to be a non-union company. The Teamsters have a history, and while I do not agree with them, they do seem to be trying. Has anyone considered this contract from the Teamsters point? What would you have done if you were on the negotiating committee and the company was telling you “we are going to shut the business down?” Either give us concessions (relief) or we are done. Would you have called their bluff……………………And what if they were not bluffing?
 
If the Teamsters Union wants to stay in ltl trucking, then they need to revert back to 1930's logic. Imo.
 
After reading the previous posts before this one. (sorry I don't know how to clip and paste the quotes I like ). I think it is time to start a new union to represent us in the freight industry. I mean ABF,YRC and the others. Since all good things develop with just a thought, I do not have the details worked out. I don't even know if there is support to do it. I do know we can decertify the union that represents us. I would not like losing what the TEAMSTERS meant to the trucking industry but jr. and company seem not to care at all.I will try to find time to see if this is feasible and will let you know. Anyone with ideas please contact me as I am serious looking into this as much as i can. I know this is probably a bold step to take, but how much crap are we supposed to take from jimmy and the companies ?
How about this instead, Brother? We demand that,....since there is no more NMFA,...there is no more need for TNFINC......and in the future, YRC employees will be on their negotiating team,..and ABF employees will be on their negotiating team......they would then have some "skin" in the game, and would negotiate with a distinct knowledge of that particular company........instead of the lackadaisical, disinterested "professional" negotiators provided through the IBT in the form of TNFINC.
 
Oh,...and by the way......."R.I.P. NMFA 1963 to 2013. Done in by the son of the man who created you. Sadly Missed.
 
Starting a separate union for the freight companies is not a realistic option unless you want to be a non-union company. The Teamsters have a history, and while I do not agree with them, they do seem to be trying. Has anyone considered this contract from the Teamsters point? What would you have done if you were on the negotiating committee and the company was telling you “we are going to shut the business down?” Either give us concessions (relief) or we are done. Would you have called their bluff……………………And what if they were not bluffing?
Well, Brother,....that's a pretty standard tactic in negotiations, nowadays. In this case, all indications were that it would be a bluff. Companies that have the slightest hint of closure by Labor problems have a departure of top executives in the 6 months prior to negotiations. No management guy,...or gal...wants to be the last executive to be left to "turn out the lights", as it were. You don't have top executives loading up on stock,....or for that matter, taking such a personal interest in a positive outcome. Management are for themselves, and themselves only. In spite of what you hear, there is no such thing as management loyalty to any one company. Didn't Ms. McReynolds threaten to leave about 6 or 8 months ago because she wasn't getting compensated as well as her "peers"? If someone would've waved a few dollars in her face, do you think she would've jumped ship? Is that the much vaunted "loyalty" we hear so much about? Yup....it was a bluff, and to reinforce it, they told a lie, too. About 6 months from now, it should be evident that the "YRC BUYOUT OFFER".....was a lie.........Even James Welch has stated publicly that he will refuse to talk about it anymore. They told a lie to trick their employees,....and it worked.....Good Christian company....As for our ......Teamster "negotiating" team.....They were too lazy to determine if it was a bluff or not,....what do they care? they don't work there.......
 
In a few years the Teamsters and YRC will have less of a problem leveling the playing field. Thanks to ABF teamsters for getting the concessions thru.
 
Starting a separate union for the freight companies is not a realistic option unless you want to be a non-union company. The Teamsters have a history, and while I do not agree with them, they do seem to be trying. Has anyone considered this contract from the Teamsters point? What would you have done if you were on the negotiating committee and the company was telling you “we are going to shut the business down?” Either give us concessions (relief) or we are done. Would you have called their bluff……………………And what if they were not bluffing?

Since You asked. Yes I would have called their bluff. I am not to upset with the 7% but the week vacation and some language in the supplements were bothersome. IMO i think there were things that still could have be negotiated............And if they were not bluffing I would have been looking for another job, like I was doing when I found this one
 
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