Did you ever think about what closing the doors would do to the industry? What happens to the pensions to those who fought so hard to get us whwre we are today.What happens to ABF with the burden of the new pension liabilities? What happens to the ltl industry with no union trucking?
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Did you ever think about what closing the doors would do to the industry? What happens to the pensions to those who fought so hard to get us whwre we are today.What happens to ABF with the burden of the new pension liabilities? What happens to the ltl industry with no union trucking?
If you did indeed volunteer at the Overnite campaign then, THANK YOU but, look at what we organized and struck for....everything you and others are so willing to give up with out so much as a whimper. You and others continue with the company BS, if ya don't pass this, we will close the doors and yet, after plan A was voted down, they came back with plan B, WOW who'd a thunk.
"this isnt about fighting for something we could benefit from this is about keeping what we have." No, no it is not, you and the others are giving it away... piece mail, a little at a time but, you are just giving it away.
You go to great lengths to justify your vote and yet you don't answer my original question... You don't think our ancestors were threatened with their jobs? Are ya friggin kidding me? These MEN fought in the streets, shed blood, lots of them lost their jobs and some were killed for what you and others don't even have the backbone to stand up and protect, let alone work to better.
Your mind set, your justification is the same used by the ***** at Overnite, You sir, and the others like you are the reason I left, I got involved and joined this once great Union to better my family's future and in turn, to pull my weight and insure that the next generation behind me has it better than I did, not to allow a majority of (insert what ever you feel is appropriate) to just give it away.
what pension ?
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I understand, and accept the risks unique to Union employment!
little d, you make a great speech and would make a great politician, but you conveniently ignore the actual reality of the current situation facing unionized ltl. If taking a small concession helps keep the last, large Teamster trucking company alive for a while longer then it's a good thing in spite of any "what our forefathers died for" rhetoric.
Those that are willing to risk nothing get nothing. What us NO voters did was stop a bad first offer. We saved peoples vacation, pay, and jobs. We may have even stopped a second bad offer. What did you do? No thanks necessary. I'm your union brother looking out for your best interests even though your not willing to look out for mine.
I wish you well
Quasi, you make good points. Yes, it was good that the first proposal was turned down and that resulted in modifications which were better for all. That was certainly a good thing to which we all can agree. It was a gamble and the gamble paid off. I can also agree that a bankruptcy threat can sometimes be just an empty threat. However, when the company financials are exposed for all to see in a variety of official and unofficial documents, they must be taken more seriously. When the IBT leadership and an independent financial analyst feel the threat is real it would make sense to take it that way. The odds seem to have been overwhelmingly high that bankruptcy was where we were headed. It's all about the odds - the real probability of any event happening. In our case, after all is said and done, it seems like the probability of a bankruptcy filing was much too high to ignore.
You could be right. Many of our brothers obviously felt the same way, but to rip on people for having a different perspective is immature, and pointless. Ultimately things always work out no matter what the outcome. This companies financials are problems brought on by people whom I have nothing to do with, yet they continue to make me pay for them. I'm not willing to let them take everything away from me so easily. Back in 2009 when we almost went out of business I vowed never to let this company have this much control over my life and future. In doing so my perspective is very different than most. I don't fault anyone for voting the way they did.
In the end we are all Teamsters.
From what I'm hearing it may still be a gamble, the vote passed but it sounds like they now have a week to come up with some financing. I'm in no way sure but it sounded an awful lot like the original deal was pulled since the vote failed.
Interesting developments. I guess we'll know for sure by Feb.15th.
Triplex,
we disagree on a lot of issues but, "what our forefathers died for" is anything but rhetoric and this statement confirms every thing I've ever thought about you and your kind. To cheapen others lives let alone their sacrifices while you enjoy the benefits, that sir is pathetic. even from your kind but, I guess it shouldn't surprise me.
Using "me and my kind" phrasing just diminishes whatever positive attitudes and appreciation I might have had about you and your zeal for unions and labor. Too bad.
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I wish our Founding Fathers could be held in such high esteem! What a different country this would be.