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z-man

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I used to be at YRC in the city. At the time we had to run a recap card to keep track of hours and couldn't go over 60. I'm at Holland now and over 60 is fine as long as you are off the street prior to going over. How is this legal? When I was on an e-log we could be on duty past 14 if unloading at a customer but the time still came off the 70 for the week.I posted over on the holland thread but saw many more viewing here.
 
Is Holland using a 60 in 7 or 70 in 8 formula?

As long as it's city work and you reset over the weekend legally you're good.
 
You are allowed a16hr day if you leave the state and to return to your domicile and then 14 hr days with a 34 hr reset inbetween. My father works in food distribution and there drivers are always getting stuck on lay overs due to the nature of the beast? Hope this helps? BSAFE
 

I've looked all through these links and find nothing in regards to on duty time over the allotted 60 hrs, only references to driving 11 hrs in 14 hours , also replies saying you can but nothing to back up said response. Where is the documentation that states this is a legal and acceptable practice?
 
Through mutual agreement between employers and the IBT, the 34 hour restart is not permitted. So whether you're observing 60 in 7 or 70 in 8, you may work past 14 hours but you may not drive again until you've had 10 consecutive hour off duty. And then only as many hours as you've accumulated through use of your off duty time.
 
Through mutual agreement between employers and the IBT, the 34 hour restart is not permitted. So whether you're observing 60 in 7 or 70 in 8, you may work past 14 hours but you may not drive again until you've had 10 consecutive hour off duty. And then only as many hours as you've accumulated through use of your off duty time.

Again, where is it stated that more than 14 hours is allowed? And without a restart I should be running a recap sheet to protect against violation. For instance if I worked 60 hours last week with 12 hours on Monday, this Monday I couldn't work more than 12 hours because I picked up 0 hours over the weekend, and I actually worked 63.5 hours last week so which is 3.5 hours over 60 in 7.
 
It is not. But you may not DRIVE more than 11 hours in any tour of duty, nor may you DRIVE more than 60 hours in ANY consecutive 7 day period. You would be ineligible to drive until you drop below the 60 hours. You could work the dock as much as you want.

You don't say where you're domiciled. In Chicago the software shows the dispatcher how many hours you have available. But it has always been your responsibility to NOT violate HOS Regulations.
 
Albag is saying you could drive your 11 hours in your 14 hour window and if you returned to the dock at the 13th hour after having driving 11 hours you could unload trailers for another 47 consecitive hours and not be in any violation of the HOS..
 
Albag is saying you could drive your 11 hours in your 14 hour window and if you returned to the dock at the 13th hour after having driving 11 hours you could unload trailers for another 47 consecitive hours and not be in any violation of the HOS..

Your interpretation is correct, I am just so proud of your epiphany.
 
Your interpretation is correct, I am just so proud of your epiphany.

OK, so basically the hours of service only apply to an LTL city driver in regards to driving time, nobody cares or regulates hours of service beyond driving time, you can be "on duty" as many hours as your employer mandates as long as you have 10 hours off between starts??? Where are the FMCSA clowns on this one? Are we any less fatigued than the otr driver who burns 8 hrs sitting at a shipper or consignee and then has to go to bed 6 hours later? When I work 14, I work 14, minus the 30 minute lunch. The only day I get a "short" day is Thursday so I can have enough hours to cover my bid on Friday, then it's get me off the street before my 60 and work till close, sleep most of the day Saturday to try to recharge. It just blows my mind that we have to comply to hours of service rules in regards to driving yet as far as overall hours worked and getting the "proper" rest between work weeks is of no concern to management or FMCSA.
 
well when you do go off-duty make sure it is all-ways for 10 hours so you can drive again..its not really that complicated..The senerios will drive you nuts ...
 
Try going to this link Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration They are right, you can work as many hours as you like as long as you do not drive after your 60. Let's say you get to 62 HRS. You need to get your 10 off duty; then you draw back 8 for the next day, you will only have 6 hours to work. If I get some time I will try to find the print for you.
 
OK, so basically the hours of service only apply to an LTL city driver in regards to driving time, nobody cares or regulates hours of service beyond driving time, you can be "on duty" as many hours as your employer mandates as long as you have 10 hours off between starts??? Where are the FMCSA clowns on this one? Are we any less fatigued than the otr driver who burns 8 hrs sitting at a shipper or consignee and then has to go to bed 6 hours later? When I work 14, I work 14, minus the 30 minute lunch. The only day I get a "short" day is Thursday so I can have enough hours to cover my bid on Friday, then it's get me off the street before my 60 and work till close, sleep most of the day Saturday to try to recharge. It just blows my mind that we have to comply to hours of service rules in regards to driving yet as far as overall hours worked and getting the "proper" rest between work weeks is of no concern to management or FMCSA.

As long as you do not "hit the street," you can work continuously and not be off duty 10 hours. The only 10 hour requirement is if you have worked 14 and plan to drive. At that point, you will need 10 hours rest before doing so.

You control the "on duty not driving hours" worked by requesting "off in 8."

Honoring your bid with 10 hours off duty is a different issue because your bid includes driving and you have a start time. If you had no start time, you could conceivably, work continuously 20, 40, 60 hours or more, as long as you do not drive.
 
However without using the 34 hr reset wouldn't you jeopardize your time available the following week if you worked over 60 in 7?

Since the FMCSA rule says 34 hr reset I would think that's what legally is binding, the IBT and company can say they aren't using it but any DOT cop at the scale isn't going to care what the contract says only what the law is.
 
However without using the 34 hr reset wouldn't you jeopardize your time available the following week if you worked over 60 in 7?

Since the FMCSA rule says 34 hr reset I would think that's what legally is binding, the IBT and company can say they aren't using it but any DOT cop at the scale isn't going to care what the contract says only what the law is.

According to the district safety guy, because the terminal at which I work is a 5 day operation, we automatically reset over the weekend, regardless of the number of hours we work.

Doesn't make sense to me either, but all bets are off regarding HOS if you do not hit the street. Once driving all of the rules must be followed.
 
However without using the 34 hr reset wouldn't you jeopardize your time available the following week if you worked over 60 in 7?

Since the FMCSA rule says 34 hr reset I would think that's what legally is binding, the IBT and company can say they aren't using it but any DOT cop at the scale isn't going to care what the contract says only what the law is.

You're right. If a driver's time off qualifies for a reset, then as far as the FMCSR are concerned that driver is in compliance.
 
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