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Well since the executives ran the price of the stock up, received their bonus' even though they didn't achieve the required goals and cashed in their vested shares of stock, the stock price is going down down. here we go again.
 
anotherdayanother85cents said:
Well since the executives ran the price of the stock up, received their bonus' even though they didn't achieve the required goals and cashed in their vested shares of stock, the stock price is going down down. here we go again.
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Please tell me how "the executives ran the price of the stock up". I'd really like to know how they do that.
 
anotherdayanother85cents said:
Well since the executives ran the price of the stock up, received their bonus' even though they didn't achieve the required goals and cashed in their vested shares of stock, the stock price is going down down. here we go again.
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The recent fall in YRC stock price probably has nothing to do with the overall market conditions, generally inflated share prices.

Triplex said:
Please tell me how "the executives ran the price of the stock up". I'd really like to know how they do that.
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Me too!! Are they selling shares to cash in on bonuses or are they buying shares at above market value???
 
Triplex said:
Please tell me how "the executives ran the price of the stock up". I'd really like to know how they do that.
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Have you been running with blinders on??

YRC Worldwide, Inc. Stock Chart | YRCW Interactive Chart - Yahoo! Finance

Just look at the chart on the link above and you can see for yourself.. It started with the begbacks and followed with the vote.. There is a pattern.. Quite a few or the top exec's sold at the highest price.. They know what is going on the same as they know when to sell..
 
crazy said:
Triplex said:
Please tell me how "the executives ran the price of the stock up". I'd really like to know how they do that.
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Have you been running with blinders on??

YRC Worldwide, Inc. Stock Chart | YRCW Interactive Chart - Yahoo! Finance

Just look at the chart on the link above and you can see for yourself.. It started with the begbacks and followed with the vote.. There is a pattern.. Quite a few or the top exec's sold at the highest price.. They know what is going on the same as they know when to sell..
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You come back with a wise ass comment but you don't have an answer to what I asked. Typical.
 
Triplex
there is nothing wise ass about Crazy's reply.
If you think corporate executives can't influence stock prices you are the one who is crazy here's just one link, but i encourage you to do your own research. (google)

Options Today, Restatement Tomorrow? - Businessweek

Elwood, can you explain to me what "generally inflated share prices" means?

Triplex said:
You come back with a wise ass comment but you don't have an answer to what I asked. Typical.
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anotherdayanother85cents said:
Triplex
there is nothing wise ass about Crazy's reply.
If you think corporate executives can influence stock prices you are the one who is crazy here's just one link, but i encourage you to do your own research. (google)

Options Today, Restatement Tomorrow? - Businessweek

Elwood, can you explain to me what "generally inflated share prices" means?
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Sorry, I disagree about Crazy's reply. He had to throw in the "blinders" comment even though he didn't really answer the question of my original post. Providing a link to a stock chart didn't provide an answer as to how executives inflated the stock price.

The article in the link you posted does show how executives may have affected the stock prices of their companies. Very good post and good information. Of course the article is ten years old and refers to those things happening under certain conditions which prevailed back in the 1990's bubble primarily with tech companies. I could be wrong, but with increased oversight today I don't think those actions are as common now and I certainly don't think there is any of that in YRCW's case. I guess time will tell if that's true.
 
Triplex said:
You come back with a wise ass comment but you don't have an answer to what I asked. Typical.
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Wow!! Where do I go with this??? Sorry you took it the wrong way... but even my wife understands what the YRCW executives have done.. How else could I put it.. They have a company that some and again I say some thought the company was going to close.. Stock price is in the dumper and going down.. This is what the company elite are saying.. Now with the givebacks and the "begging" from upper management the vote on the second time goes through.. YRCW got it's concessions and the price of the stock went up... They reward themselves and then start selling their shares.. You can call it what you want but IOM the price of the stock was manipulated ..Some made more in a day than most union members make in a year.. But then again we are all entitled to our opinions..And as far as my comment about "Blinders" goes,I didn't think it was a wise ass comment..
 
I do have to agree with crazy, if yrcw was on the brink of closing, the stock value drops massively, so then that would be the time to buy (white collar gambling). And once the contract went thru, and the term of 5 more years of concessions, the price goes UP bcuz yrcw will be around for at least another 5 more years (and i pray for a longer tim then that), so with a crap eating grin on their faces, the whit collars,( that dont know what hard work really means) cash in their shares, and make more money with on click of their mouse, then most of my union brothers will make in a year. Its a crying shame on how they do what they do. First they rob from the blue collar man, (5 yrs of give backs), to "save the company" but then go and put their hands in the cookie for their bonuses. Over at upsf we are about to welcome in some more teamsters that will be making around half of what we make now, "LHD" division. I gurentee our white collar bosses will have their hands in the cookie jar also when they hit their #s ,by paying the new road drivers 44 cpm. Hoffa hall and johnson need to go and represent the 6 bus drivers they organize a month and give us freight teamsters, a boss that has a backbone
 
crazy said:
Wow!! Where do I go with this??? Sorry you took it the wrong way... but even my wife understands what the YRCW executives have done.. How else could I put it.. They have a company that some and again I say some thought the company was going to close.. Stock price is in the dumper and going down.. This is what the company elite are saying.. Now with the givebacks and the "begging" from upper management the vote on the second time goes through.. YRCW got it's concessions and the price of the stock went up... They reward themselves and then start selling their shares.. You can call it what you want but IOM the price of the stock was manipulated ..Some made more in a day than most union members make in a year.. But then again we are all entitled to our opinions..And as far as my comment about "Blinders" goes,I didn't think it was a wise ass comment..
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Fair enough on the comment, I may have taken it the wrong way. As far as the stock price fluctuations - when it looked like the company (or any company) was potentially facing bankruptcy (as we were because we didn't have the cash to pay the notes coming due) the stock price would naturally go down because investors don't see a bright future and sell shares. Watch what happens with IBM tomorrow morning for example. After we accepted the modified MOU, our outlook looked better to investors and buying caused the share price to rise on the open market. That's what determines share price, investors attitude toward a company and its future prospects. I don't believe the executives did anything wrong regarding their stock options. They exercised some of the options when they were able to after the holding period. That's the same thing some smart investors due when they have a gain in stocks they own - sell some to lock in their profits. If down the line it turns out that executives misstated the financials then I'll have a different opinion.
 
southside stress said:
I do have to agree with crazy, if yrcw was on the brink of closing, the stock value drops massively, so then that would be the time to buy (white collar gambling). And once the contract went thru, and the term of 5 more years of concessions, the price goes UP bcuz yrcw will be around for at least another 5 more years (and i pray for a longer tim then that), so with a crap eating grin on their faces, the whit collars,( that dont know what hard work really means) cash in their shares, and make more money with on click of their mouse, then most of my union brothers will make in a year. Its a crying shame on how they do what they do. First they rob from the blue collar man, (5 yrs of give backs), to "save the company" but then go and put their hands in the cookie for their bonuses. Over at upsf we are about to welcome in some more teamsters that will be making around half of what we make now, "LHD" division. I gurentee our white collar bosses will have their hands in the cookie jar also when they hit their #s ,by paying the new road drivers 44 cpm. Hoffa hall and johnson need to go and represent the 6 bus drivers they organize a month and give us freight teamsters, a boss that has a backbone
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White collar gambling? There's a big difference between gambling and investing. Buying something at a low price and selling at a higher price to create income is wrong? I've been a Teamster for a long, long time and I also buy and sell stocks by clicking my mouse. I try to buy at a low price and sell when the price goes up. Wouldn't you do the same thing if you knew how to do it?
 
Triplex said:
White collar gambling? There's a big difference between gambling and investing. Buying something at a low price and selling at a higher price to create income is wrong? I've been a Teamster for a long, long time and I also buy and sell stocks by clicking my mouse. I try to buy at a low price and sell when the price goes up. Wouldn't you do the same thing if you knew how to do it?
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There is also a big difference in gambling & manipulating
 
anotherdayanother85cents said:
Triplex
there is nothing wise ass about Crazy's reply.
If you think corporate executives can't influence stock prices you are the one who is crazy here's just one link, but i encourage you to do your own research. (google)

Options Today, Restatement Tomorrow? - Businessweek

Elwood, can you explain to me what "generally inflated share prices" means?
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The market is inflated, share prices do not reflect actual value of companies.

Companies, in general are not 'growing.' They are cutting costs/trimming fat. That in turn shows greater revenue and profits, not GROWTH.

These increased 'profit' numbers cause share prices to increase, but the 'value' of companies has not increased.

Share prices of MOST companies, are therefore 'inflated.'
 
Elwood said:
The market is inflated, share prices do not reflect actual value of companies. Companies, in general are not 'growing.' They are cutting costs/trimming fat. That in turn shows greater revenue and profits, not GROWTH. These increased 'profit' numbers cause share prices to increase, but the 'value' of companies has not increased. Share prices of MOST companies, are therefore 'inflated.'
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The Federal Reserve has been pouring money into the stock market for a few years. This is called Quanitive Easing (QE). So yes, stocks are over valued. When the fed talks about weening off of QE, the market plunges. This is why.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/01/economist-explains-7
 
series60 said:
There is also a big difference in gambling & manipulating
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If anyone can show where YRCW executives in particular are or have been manipulating the financials I'd like to see it. Nobody is happy with the current conditions and some will imagine they see things that aren't there in their frustration, but facts and reality are what count.

PS - As I mentioned yesterday, did anyone notice IBM this morning? Down almost 4% on bad quarterly results. Is that some kind of manipulation? Time to chill a little with the conspiracy theories.
 
Hoosierky said:
The Federal Reserve has been pouring money into the stock market for a few years. This is called Quanitive Easing (QE). So yes, stocks are over valued. When the fed talks about weening off of QE, the market plunges. This is why.

The Economist explains: What is quantitative easing? | The Economist
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QE is bond purchasing, not stock purchasing, by the government.

It is the reason your short term savings accounts no longer pay any significant interest.

It is the reason that CD's pay virtually nothing and why mortgage rates are so low.

Because of 2008 -09 mortgage debacle and resulting crash, the QE policy was put in place to stimulate lending of money.

It has been unsuccessful in that borrowing money has become more difficult.

There is plenty of money in bank reserves, but to cover their financial butts, banks are less likely to lend.

Lending standards have increased and money does not flow freely.

Quantitative easing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Triplex said:
If anyone can show where YRCW executives in particular are or have been manipulating the financials I'd like to see it. Nobody is happy with the current conditions and some will imagine they see things that aren't there in their frustration, but facts and reality are what count.

PS - As I mentioned yesterday, did anyone notice IBM this morning? Down almost 4% on bad quarterly results. Is that some kind of manipulation? Time to chill a little with the conspiracy theories.
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Comparing IBM to YRCW is like comparing a golden delicious apple to a pea.. Stocks are manipulated every day,some get caught most do not.. And the ones that do get caught you very seldom hear about.. IMO the YRCW stock was manipulated and your opinion it was not... Leave it at that..
 
crazy said:
comparing ibm to yrcw is like comparing a golden delicious apple to a pea.. Stocks are manipulated every day,some get caught most do not.. And the ones that do get caught you very seldom hear about.. Imo the yrcw stock was manipulated and your opinion it was not... Leave it at that..
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"i like peas!"
 
crazy said:
Comparing IBM to YRCW is like comparing a golden delicious apple to a pea.. Stocks are manipulated every day,some get caught most do not.. And the ones that do get caught you very seldom hear about.. IMO the YRCW stock was manipulated and your opinion it was not... Leave it at that..
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My point about IBM is to show that when a company's outlook is less than expected the stock price typically drops as investors reduce their positions and selling causes a price drop. It can happen with any company, an IBM or a YRCW. No manipulation there, just common sense. Potential for future earnings growth or lack of it is basically what causes stock prices to rise and to fall on the open market.

PS - Western Union shares dropped around 5% early today because Wal-Mart announced a new money transfer program in competition with Western Union's. That competition makes Western Union's outlook a little less robust and therefore caused the sell off. That's what happens.
 
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