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FedEx Freight | Listen to the Anti Union Guys, PLEASE!

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EX396 said:
That's called envy.

Lobby for what you believe you have earned, not what you feel entitled to just because someone else has it.
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No wrong please tell me how other ltls base their benefits then. Do they base them out of the goodness of their hearts.
 
BrysF150 said:
Yep, surely looks like ABF is dying alright.

https://www.abfs.com/about/news/2014/p073114.asp
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You're right!

Oh, and look at this: UPS’ 3Q Income Improves Click to Read

It SEEMS, those union carriers are at it again...:notworthy:

Its less-than-truckload UPS Freight unit’s revenue increased 7.9% to $810 million.
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UPS is ranked No. 1 on the Transport Topics Top 100 list of U.S. and Canadian for-hire carriers.
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So, apparently, the TEAMSTERS, and TOP SHELF contracts, don't really bankrupt companies after all. But..But... We've been told..., well, you know. Now I'm really confused.
 
As an interested bystander and former employee, I'm thinking the management of a company has more influence over profit and loss than a union. At least, from what I've seen in the past (YRC's bad decision to buy their way to the top, for example and the current and continued success of UPS/UPSF).
 
SwampRatt said:
You're right!

Oh, and look at this: UPS’ 3Q Income Improves Click to Read

It SEEMS, those union carriers are at it again...:notworthy:





So, apparently, the TEAMSTERS, and TOP SHELF contracts, don't really bankrupt companies after all. But..But... We've been told..., well, you know. Now I'm really confused.
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These companies that are Union can make the numbers look anyway they want.So can the non union companies.Most of these non and union truck lines have their hands on other businesses.So freight hauling isn't their main staple to stay alive.
 
slim6596 said:
As an interested bystander and former employee, I'm thinking the management of a company has more influence over profit and loss than a union. At least, from what I've seen in the past (YRC's bad decision to buy their way to the top, for example and the current and continued success of UPS/UPSF).
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That in which you said is true.But when a Union which is most supportive of Democrats bumps heads with the corporate world of which is most supportive of Repubs.Guess which one is going to get the shaft? Yes it's the Union side.A corporation can put it's labor on its knees.This I believe is what happened here at YRCW and consequently at ABF.Right now it's a war between labor and big corporations.You already know who has the upper hand.Because all of us American labor has had a loss in pay and in contributions to these pension funds.Meanwhile corporate heads have enjoyed a conservative 23% increase in different forms of compensation.The middle class has suffered tremendously as so has the economy
 
bigtruk_us said:
These companies that are Union can make the numbers look anyway they want.So can the non union companies.Most of these non and union truck lines have their hands on other businesses.So freight hauling isn't their main staple to stay alive.
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I'll disagree with that. Publicly held companies are heavily regulated, and watched over pretty darn closely. No company of significance would risk the public embarrassment of corrupt numbers. Stockholders would bail, in mass.

I am curious about these "other" businesses though.
 
SwampRatt said:
I'll disagree with that. Publicly held companies are heavily regulated, and watched over pretty darn closely. No company of significance would risk the public embarrassment of corrupt numbers. Stockholders would bail, in mass.

I am curious about these "other" businesses though.
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Making numbers look anyway they want.This accounting principle has been around a long time.My relative is an accountant for a major corporation.She is told by her bosses what and how they want the numbers to look.Just passing the info along
 
bigtruk_us said:
Making numbers look anyway they want.This accounting principle has been around a long time.My relative is an accountant for a major corporation.She is told by her bosses what and how they want the numbers to look.Just passing the info along
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We know there have been trends (for 12 years) in the direction of FedEx Freight, both in reductions in employee costs and increases in purchase transportation. These trends will continue, unless something is done stop, or at least slow it. These "cost savings" come at a price. Only now, is that "price" coming to the forefront.
 
Richard Cranium said:
Time to live up to your name, driver.
Aren't you up way past your bedtime?
We do care about you and want the public to be safe from you tonight.
Oh yes, that antiquated model appears to work fantastically for OD.
I mean, who would of ever thought of having truck drivers drive trucks instead of forklifts.
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According to the drivers at OD, they don't use the business model you're so nostalgic for. So why do you keep insisting they do? Maybe you should go to work for OD? Oops, you'd just be unhappy over there too, just like at Viking and FedEx....Some people just love being angry at the world....
 
Crazy Trucker said:
No wrong please tell me how other ltls base their benefits then. Do they base them out of the goodness of their hearts.
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They compensate only as much as they need to in order to attract and retain the quality of employee they desire. When the turnover rate costs them too much they will up what they are offering.

They aren't compensating based on what others are providing. Employees are staying or leaving based on weighing what others are providing.
 
EX396 said:
They compensate only as much as they need to in order to attract and retain the quality of employee they desire. When the turnover rate costs them too much they will up what they are offering.

They aren't compensating based on what others are providing. Employees are staying or leaving based on weighing what others are providing.
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Thanks for being honest. No company in this industry pays more than they have to. Fact of life. Does anyone overpay deliberately? Of course not. You'd have to be stupid to do so. Yet some pro union folks seem to think fedex is stupid and will cave in and pay whatever they demand. Silly. Just plain silly.
 
silent trucker said:
Thanks for being honest. No company in this industry pays more than they have to. Fact of life. Does anyone overpay deliberately? Of course not. You'd have to be stupid to do so. Yet some pro union folks seem to think fedex is stupid and will cave in and pay whatever they demand. Silly. Just plain silly.
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What are you smoking? Nobody ever said fed ex will give into anything just stating facts on what other freight companies make. And for those that think what other companies make is irrelevant is a joke. You have to compete with your competitors other wise how in the hell are you going to keep your employees.
 
Crazy Trucker said:
What are you smoking? Nobody ever said fed ex will give into anything just stating facts on what other freight companies make. And for those that think what other companies make is irrelevant is a joke. You have to compete with your competitors other wise how in the hell are you going to keep your employees.
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Well...I guess your handle is correct. You are crazy. If FedEx really pays that bad, why are you here?????
 
I don't know how some of these guys come up with erroneous stuff about any union.I used to be not at all too keen on working at a Unionized company.Then I left Conway for Yellow.Been here for over 16years.Yeah we have been through some tough times here.Not because of our working members.So before anyone knocks something.They need to try it.Its a good job.I try to take care of my job.If I need representation it's there.Great benefits and pay.even if you're in a union.You still gotta work
 
EX396 said:
They compensate only as much as they need to in order to attract and retain the quality of employee they desire. When the turnover rate costs them too much they will up what they are offering.

They aren't compensating based on what others are providing. Employees are staying or leaving based on weighing what others are providing.
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I think you are correct in your explanation. They seem to be at that point, now. More difficulty attracting new drivers. Having to hire trainees off the street, etc.

The big problem, when drivers start leaving in mass, is the ones who benefit, from the realization by FXFE, they've gone too far, will be the ones who stayed behind. The correction will come, but it will be too late for some. The ones who leave will likely benefit from better conditions/compensation, etc. at another carrier, but give up seniority, vacation time earned, etc.

Still, it's worth fixing, IMHO.
 
SwampRatt said:
The big problem, when drivers start leaving in mass, is the ones who benefit, from the realization by FXFE, they've gone too far, will be the ones who stayed behind. The correction will come, but it will be too late for some. The ones who leave will likely benefit from better conditions/compensation, etc. at another carrier, but give up seniority, vacation time earned, etc.

Still, it's worth fixing, IMHO.
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Yes, the decision for those very early in their career and those very close to retirement is an easier one. It's all those people in the middle that need to figure out their best option.
Too much seniority for them to want to "start over", too much career left for them to accept the status quo.

I agree that it is worth attempting to fix, we just disagree on the best tools to use.

Just a matter of personal interest in your situation: Has your center signed enough cards? If so, have they voted/when do they vote? Outcome?
 
Eldridge Cleaver once said: "You're either a part of the solution; or you're a part of the problem.".

Sadly, for the last 35 years, since deregulation, the teamsters have been part of the problem. They haven't worked with the company's to adapt to the business conditions caused by Senator Teddy Kennedy pushing deregulation through Congress. Geez, a democratic Senator created legislation that crucified his financial backers, and he never was bad mouthed for it. Imagine that...the democratic machine screwed its' power base, and the folks on the street were clueless....

Be a part of the solution, work with regional managers and their bosses to identify what's wrong and find solutions that insure the company and it's employees continue to succeed and prosper. Tell the Teamsters to go back to giving their employers concessions...oh wait, they don't need a reminder, they trashed the National Master Freight Agreement and gave back to everyone, to save the paychecks of the union bosses......

Imagine that...
 
silent trucker said:
Eldridge Cleaver once said: "You're either a part of the solution; or you're a part of the problem.".

Sadly, for the last 35 years, since deregulation, the teamsters have been part of the problem. They haven't worked with the company's to adapt to the business conditions caused by Senator Teddy Kennedy pushing deregulation through Congress. Geez, a democratic Senator created legislation that crucified his financial backers, and he never was bad mouthed for it. Imagine that...the democratic machine screwed its' power base, and the folks on the street were clueless....

Be a part of the solution, work with regional managers and their bosses to identify what's wrong and find solutions that insure the company and it's employees continue to succeed and prosper. Tell the Teamsters to go back to giving their employers concessions...oh wait, they don't need a reminder, they trashed the National Master Freight Agreement and gave back to everyone, to save the paychecks of the union bosses......

Imagine that...
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You guys like to play the YRC card all the time about their lower pay. Then you post some crap like this about the Teamsters not working with the companies!
 
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