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If you haven't had one yet, there is a good chance you will, before too long. Here's my take.

The guy we had from LRI Labor Relations Institute/ (J.B.) was very good at what he does, admitting several positive aspects of representation. Much more good info than expected, conceding a lot of points when challenged. All to gain trust of the viewers.

The "trick" is, toward the very end, when he plays the strike card (Biggest fear for many, including the company), explaining worst case scenarios... Economic strikes, to be specific, detailing "replacement workers" etc., and the possibility of an underhanded ploy by the union to create a contract vote to include strike language, meaning yes = contract, no = strike. I didn't really catch the tactic at the time, since the possibility of a strike is so remote, it didn't concern me. But it did concern others, and that is the purpose of the whole thing. Mind games 101, And he played it well.

He seem straight up, honest, fair even. Almost too pro union, for this setting, giving more good info than I could possibly share in a brief parking lot chat. I did find that odd. But looking back, it makes perfect sense. Gain your trust before "striking" with the big stick. The only real fear stick they have. That "fear of strike" stick. Now I know why they don't want anyone to leave before it's over.

Just beware, when the meeting comes to a center near you, remember the facts that you already know.

1) There are not enough replacement drivers out there, qualified to replace you.

2) The Company doesn't want a strike any more than you do. THERE WILL NOT be one.

3) He'll use a unique event in history, with public sector unions (Air traffic controllers) to incite fear of the unlikely.

4) Don't be lured into a false trust, thinking he's there for you. HE'S THERE FOR ONE REASON.

Anyone else have a different take on the presentation? Similar take? Am I wrong?
 
How is this a "mandatory meeting" I don't think the "anti-Union" guys can be forced? Or can the NLRB force it? Enlighten me. Last time I checked, we live in a Democratic Republic, although lately it seems to be disappearing!! Just saying.
 
PurpleDrool said:
How is this a "mandatory meeting" I don't think the "anti-Union" guys can be forced? Or can the NLRB force it? Enlighten me. Last time I checked, we live in a Democratic Republic, although lately it seems to be disappearing!! Just saying.
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If the man who signs your paycheck wants to pay you to attend a meeting and he makes it mandatory, it doesn't leave much wiggle room, now does it.

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PurpleDrool said:
How is this a "mandatory meeting" I don't think the "anti-Union" guys can be forced? Or can the NLRB force it? Enlighten me. Last time I checked, we live in a Democratic Republic, although lately it seems to be disappearing!! Just saying.
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Some places call it a pre-shift, and everyone can be forced to sit thru them, and your being paid to do it.
 
SwampRatt said:
He seem straight up, honest, fair even. Almost too pro union, for this setting, giving more good info than I could possibly share in a brief parking lot chat. I did find that odd. But looking back, it makes perfect sense. Gain your trust before "striking" with the big stick. The only real fear stick they have. That "fear of strike" stick. Now I know why they don't want anyone to leave before it's over.
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And now you know why management or it's hired union busters like JB won't participate in an open debate with the union organizers

FedEx Freight Workers In New Jersey Vote To Join Teamsters Local 701 | Teamsters

“The workers came to us looking for fairness after years of being mistreated and disrespected,” said Ernie Soehl, President of Teamsters Local 701 in North Brunswick, N.J., and the Teamsters Eastern Region Freight Coordinator. “The company continued to disrespect the workers with its vicious lies during the anti-union campaign it waged, but the workers saw through this. In fact, we invited the terminal manager to debate the issues, but of course he didn’t show up.”
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Isn't it strange that the TM didn't even send JB his highly paid hired gun to the debate in his place? I guess that Joe's union busting lying tactics are only effective when he has a captive audience. I'd have thought that Joe and the TM would have jumped at the chance to actually debate the issues with the union organizer......................
 
I'm not surprised at all that they wouldn't debate. The last thing Management wants is to be presented with facts that dispute the fear and worry tactics they are relying on to fight this. FedEx has paid a lot of money for the script they are to recite. They don't want them going off script at all. That would expose them as the dopes that they are.

We heard all about the CIN results at our first pre shift after that vote. Not a word was spoken about the SBR results this morning.

Whoooo!
 
SwampRatt said:
If you haven't had one yet, there is a good chance you will, before too long. Here's my take.

The guy we had from LRI Labor Relations Institute/ (J.B.) was very good at what he does, admitting several positive aspects of representation. Much more good info than expected, conceding a lot of points when challenged. All to gain trust of the viewers.

The "trick" is, toward the very end, when he plays the strike card (Biggest fear for many, including the company), explaining worst case scenarios... Economic strikes, to be specific, detailing "replacement workers" etc., and the possibility of an underhanded ploy by the union to create a contract vote to include strike language, meaning yes = contract, no = strike. I didn't really catch the tactic at the time, since the possibility of a strike is so remote, it didn't concern me. But it did concern others, and that is the purpose of the whole thing. Mind games 101, And he played it well.

He seem straight up, honest, fair even. Almost too pro union, for this setting, giving more good info than I could possibly share in a brief parking lot chat. I did find that odd. But looking back, it makes perfect sense. Gain your trust before "striking" with the big stick. The only real fear stick they have. That "fear of strike" stick. Now I know why they don't want anyone to leave before it's over.

Just beware, when the meeting comes to a center near you, remember the facts that you already know.

1) There are not enough replacement drivers out there, qualified to replace you.

2) The Company doesn't want a strike any more than you do. THERE WILL NOT be one.

3) He'll use a unique event in history, with public sector unions (Air traffic controllers) to incite fear of the unlikely.

4) Don't be lured into a false trust, thinking he's there for you. HE'S THERE FOR ONE REASON.

Anyone else have a different take on the presentation? Similar take? Am I wrong?[/

You say there wont be a strike. The company doesn't want one and us drivers don't want one. Then how is the union going to get us more pay and better benefits if we are not willing to strike? Isn't this the only leverage we would have if we went union? I don't want a strike. I like my job. If the company won't agree to our demands then we would have no way force them without a strike. Right?
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We don't need to strike! We just won't make our Noon's and 2 PM's. When they aren't getting their bonuses, they will be in the same boat we are. You got to hit them where it hurts. FedEx Express Pilot's don't strike, but they do arrive or report to work an hour late which makes all the planes late to their destinations and in turn the trickle down affect to the couriers arriving late on their deliveries. The company loses money and that is why FedEx Pilots are paid the most in the industry. Let's look at what works and use it to our $ucce$$.
 
I'm sure the organizers have you answer if ya were open minded and went to a meeting.


On a side note, I googled " first contract interest arbitration".

Inresting that Jackson Lewis site came up.

They saw " interest arbitration for ythe first contract", which was gonna be included in "card check" as no good for business.
No good for their business because it looks like they make money scaring you out of joining unions with it. Why would you not oppose creeps like them àand the company who hired them?
Insane Trucker said:
SwampRatt said:
If you haven't had one yet, there is a good chance you will, before too long. Here's my take.

The guy we had from LRI Labor Relations Institute/ (J.B.) was very good at what he does, admitting several positive aspects of representation. Much more good info than expected, conceding a lot of points when challenged. All to gain trust of the viewers.

The "trick" is, toward the very end, when he plays the strike card (Biggest fear for many, including the company), explaining worst case scenarios... Economic strikes, to be specific, detailing "replacement workers" etc., and the possibility of an underhanded ploy by the union to create a contract vote to include strike language, meaning yes = contract, no = strike. I didn't really catch the tactic at the time, since the possibility of a strike is so remote, it didn't concern me. But it did concern others, and that is the purpose of the whole thing. Mind games 101, And he played it well.

He seem straight up, honest, fair even. Almost too pro union, for this setting, giving more good info than I could possibly share in a brief parking lot chat. I did find that odd. But looking back, it makes perfect sense. Gain your trust before "striking" with the big stick. The only real fear stick they have. That "fear of strike" stick. Now I know why they don't want anyone to leave before it's over.

Just beware, when the meeting comes to a center near you, remember the facts that you already know.

1) There are not enough replacement drivers out there, qualified to replace you.

2) The Company doesn't want a strike any more than you do. THERE WILL NOT be one.

3) He'll use a unique event in history, with public sector unions (Air traffic controllers) to incite fear of the unlikely.

4) Don't be lured into a false trust, thinking he's there for you. HE'S THERE FOR ONE REASON.

Anyone else have a different take on the presentation? Similar take? Am I wrong?[/

You say there wont be a strike. The company doesn't want one and us drivers don't want one. Then how is the union going to get us more pay and better benefits if we are not willing to strike? Isn't this the only leverage we would have if we went union? I don't want a strike. I like my job. If the company won't agree to our demands then we would have no way force them without a strike. Right?
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Insane Trucker said:
You say there wont be a strike. The company doesn't want one and us drivers don't want one. Then how is the union going to get us more pay and better benefits if we are not willing to strike? Isn't this the only leverage we would have if we went union? I don't want a strike. I like my job. If the company won't agree to our demands then we would have no way force them without a strike. Right?
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There is quite a lot that CAN be gained without a strike, I. T.. It is also in the companies best interest (Stockholders), to avoid a strike. They fear it more than you, IMHO. There is a HUGE area of middle ground, that would be reasonable, and fall into the requirement of "good faith bargaining", IMHO. Without getting into too many details, as long as neither side takes it to an extreme position, we can agree to terms beneficial to both sides.

First, we must establish a bargaining unit, on the drivers side, since the company already has their side covered.
 
Jdt9797 said:
We don't need to strike! We just won't make our Noon's and 2 PM's. When they aren't getting their bonuses, they will be in the same boat we are. You got to hit them where it hurts. FedEx Express Pilot's don't strike, but they do arrive or report to work an hour late which makes all the planes late to their destinations and in turn the trickle down affect to the couriers arriving late on their deliveries. The company loses money and that is why FedEx Pilots are paid the most in the industry. Let's look at what works and use it to our $ucce$$.
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I agree there is no need for a strike really. Just do everything by the book er I mean the Co. intranet including a FULL and proper pretrip and forklifts no faster than a brisk walking pace...well you see what I'm getting at.
 
I'm sure that most people sitting thru this saw how in the first part of the presentation he talked about how it could takes years to negotiate a contract and then cited a case involving a motor coach company. The next scenario he cited was that how the company could impose its last, best and final offer and cited an example of yet another automotive company. He saved the best for last when he said the union would likely include strike language in its final contract proposal. How do you go from negotiations dragging out for years to striking in 12 months ? Its an obvious scare tactic. Reason it out and realize that the union is not going to risk striking a hand full of scattered centers ( In 12 short months no less ) and alienating the remaining potential members at other centers. Times have changed and this ain't your fathers Oldsmo I mean your fathers Teamsters.
 
suzy1052 said:
I agree there is no need for a strike really. Just do everything by the book er I mean the Co. intranet including a FULL and proper pretrip and forklifts no faster than a brisk walking pace...well you see what I'm getting at.
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When I walk that aisle, stylin' and profilin', doing it the only way The Nature Boy can, and that's better than anyone else, I do it with the greatest of ease. I don't get paid a penny more to do it any other way.

Whoooo!
 
The Nature Boy said:
When I walk that aisle, stylin' and profilin', doing it the only way The Nature Boy can, and that's better than anyone else, I do it with the greatest of ease. I don't get paid a penny more to do it any other way.

Whoooo!
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Are you related to the Jungle Boy?
 
SwampRatt said:
If you haven't had one yet, there is a good chance you will, before too long. Here's my take.

The guy we had from LRI Labor Relations Institute/ (J.B.) was very good at what he does, admitting several positive aspects of representation. Much more good info than expected, conceding a lot of points when challenged. All to gain trust of the viewers.

The "trick" is, toward the very end, when he plays the strike card (Biggest fear for many, including the company), explaining worst case scenarios... Economic strikes, to be specific, detailing "replacement workers" etc., and the possibility of an underhanded ploy by the union to create a contract vote to include strike language, meaning yes = contract, no = strike. I didn't really catch the tactic at the time, since the possibility of a strike is so remote, it didn't concern me. But it did concern others, and that is the purpose of the whole thing. Mind games 101, And he played it well.

He seem straight up, honest, fair even. Almost too pro union, for this setting, giving more good info than I could possibly share in a brief parking lot chat. I did find that odd. But looking back, it makes perfect sense. Gain your trust before "striking" with the big stick. The only real fear stick they have. That "fear of strike" stick. Now I know why they don't want anyone to leave before it's over.

Just beware, when the meeting comes to a center near you, remember the facts that you already know.

1) There are not enough replacement drivers out there, qualified to replace you.

2) The Company doesn't want a strike any more than you do. THERE WILL NOT be one.

3) He'll use a unique event in history, with public sector unions (Air traffic controllers) to incite fear of the unlikely.

4) Don't be lured into a false trust, thinking he's there for you. HE'S THERE FOR ONE REASON.

Anyone else have a different take on the presentation? Similar take? Am I wrong?
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Or do like me and just don't go
 
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