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union is for guys who dont care about longevity...

in a country of fat peoples, unions decimated cupcake and twinkie, middleman mafia...the $35 an hour mr cupcake got was real nice for a couple years, but now he's back to $17 somewhere hating life
 
union is for guys who dont care about longevity...

in a country of fat peoples, unions decimated cupcake and twinkie, middleman mafia...the $35 an hour mr cupcake got was real nice for a couple years, but now he's back to $17 somewhere hating life
And who do you work for?
 
I was afraid his would happen. Way to go bud, respond with hostility when I pose a question in a conversational manner. I bet you didn't bother to read my response to canary or you did and couldn't comprehend it.

They should make you the poster boy for recruitment.
What did you find attacking about that post. I only pointed out that I was a Teamster by choice. I suggested that he ask a union driver to take him to a union meeting or to show him around the union hall and how things are done there. I said nothing to even suggest any hostilities. Only pointed out that one should get all the facts before making a major decision on the union non union matter. If you think I was being hostile then you spook easily. Again get your facts before making a decision. YOUR FRIENDLY BROTHER ALWAYS!
 
But they still have one of the best retirement plans going.
Thank you Bro. pltjack for recognizing this. And,.....I might add, ...that's under attack. Everyone tends to forget the old maxim that all corporations live by: If you can destroy retirement, ruin Social Security, Screw up health care ( and keep it tied to your employer to "disperse"), and end social services,.....you'll create a desperate workforce, who will do anything for very little.....Win-Win for companies,.....economic slavery for the rest of us.......But what they're terrified of, is all the "slaves" organizing............Proof is in the recent actions of FedEx and Con-Way. If "Unions aren't valid, nowadays."....why such a heavy-handed response to organizing drives?
 
union is for guys who dont care about longevity...

in a country of fat peoples, unions decimated cupcake and twinkie, middleman mafia...the $35 an hour mr cupcake got was real nice for a couple years, but now he's back to $17 somewhere hating life
Seems to be obsessed by baked goods and obesity,......Must be on his mind constantly.........And,....What's the crack about "longevity"?.......Really? Are you in this industry? Truckload carriers,...100% non-Union,...have an industry-wide 90-95% turnover rate,....Non-Union LTL are running about 30%,....Union LTL is running about 11%,....up about 8% from 5 years ago. Do a little research on the DOL web site.....Union jobs expect you to be there 30 years. Union drivers expect to have a career. While you're on your break on the midnight shift at the bakery, waddle over to a chair, wipe the cream filling off your smartphone, and Google something other than fattening confections.........
 
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I tried telling them the same thing they don't get it. abf can afford to pay it but Conway & fedex cant?
I just got on with abf can somebody tell me what a part time doc/driver get and what the pay is for full time and how much you get starting off and how long it take to get to top pay
 
Well, Bro. Pltjack,.....It's probably better that the individual funds don't get combined into Superfunds. The average rank-and-file guy loses the ability to vote for the Local officers who get onto the Local Joint Council Area and end up being Trustees for that Fund. You must be an elected Officer to be voted a Trustee of the Pension Fund. There are roughly 170 individual Teamster Multi-Employer Plans across the U.S. and Canada,....Some are in Red-Zone status, and must provide the Government a 10 year rehabilitation plan that will restore viability to the plan , according to the Pension Protection Act of 2006,......and some funds are funded at 80-90%,.....and some are even higher. Combining some of these funds would make the Trustees a little less culpable to the rank-and-file. Central States is a perfect example of that very thing. Even though the Fund that I'm in (W. Pa. Joint Council #40), is in Red Zone Status,.....the rehabilitation plan,....approved by the Government, because the Government backs our pensions through the Pension Benefit Guarantee Insurance Board,.....provides for no cuts in benefits, if you've vested at a certain time, and have roughly 20 years into the pension. I'll get out in two years,....less , actually,...with 30 year's cumulative service between nine companies, and a benefit of $3600.00 a month, roughly,.....I'll be 62, and am at the minimum age for Social Security,....Tack on another $1642 a month,........and the only way you'll get me in a truck after that, is if Freightliner starts building hearses.......
First of all the PBGC only guarantees to pay $13k per person per year if your pension does go under. Second of all the government just passed a bill to basically force underfunded pensions to cut benefits to current and future retirees. Looks like the so called guaranteed union pensions aren't guaranteed at all. I believe staying non union and keeping my 401k and pension currently in effect at Fedex is the better option. You can keep your union. We will be fine without it. P.s while ABF and YRC were taking pay cuts or givebacks or whatever you want to call them we were getting raises. We also haven't given up vacation time either like your companies have. Just don't think the grass would be greener.
 
I just got on with abf can somebody tell me what a part time doc/driver get and what the pay is for full time and how much you get starting off and how long it take to get to top pay
I may be mistaken but to my knowledge there is no such thing as part time driver. There is part time dock, which pays substantially less then CDL jobs but I haven't heard of ABF putting them into play as of yet. There are 'casual' drivers who are not guaranteed to be worked and is what many have to start as. Their pay in in the vicinity of $19/hr and they are guaranteed 8 hours work when they are called in. If you show up on time, do your job and don't make many mistakes then you get put on probation of 30 days and put on the list. The company can put you right on the list and forgo the causal portion if they want to and in many cases they do. Good luck and I hope it works out for you.
 
First of all the PBGC only guarantees to pay $13k per person per year if your pension does go under. Second of all the government just passed a bill to basically force underfunded pensions to cut benefits to current and future retirees. Looks like the so called guaranteed union pensions aren't guaranteed at all. I believe staying non union and keeping my 401k and pension currently in effect at Fedex is the better option. You can keep your union. We will be fine without it. P.s while ABF and YRC were taking pay cuts or givebacks or whatever you want to call them we were getting raises. We also haven't given up vacation time either like your companies have. Just don't think the grass would be greener.
Your deal there sounds good to me and I'd like to hear more about it. We get a meager possibility of seven weeks PTO with vacation, sick and personal days combined and I am looking for more. Our health insurance costs me nothing, zip, zilch, nada per week/month and I am actually looking to get the same and more into my pocket so please tell me how much better it can get. Then we get OT nationwide after 8 and I get OT on any Saturday worked with double time for any Sunday or holiday worked and I don't think that's fair compensation for me, I want more. How much better does it get there at FedEx? I know my pension is underfunded but it is not severely underfunded and its standing improved over the last two years so I feel comfortable with its status which, by the way currently offers me $4000/month. Tell me more about your 401k, I'm interested in knowing how much better it is. Oh yea, BTW my big balls, big mouth and half brain can't get me fired as long as I show up on time and do my job. I am looking for more there too so tell me how much better it can get, I'm always looking for better.
 
Your deal there sounds good to me and I'd like to hear more about it. We get a meager possibility of seven weeks PTO with vacation, sick and personal days combined and I am looking for more. Our health insurance costs me nothing, zip, zilch, nada per week/month and I am actually looking to get the same and more into my pocket so please tell me how much better it can get. Then we get OT nationwide after 8 and I get OT on any Saturday worked with double time for any Sunday or holiday worked and I don't think that's fair compensation for me, I want more. How much better does it get there at FedEx? I know my pension is underfunded but it is not severely underfunded and its standing improved over the last two years so I feel comfortable with its status which, by the way currently offers me $4000/month. Tell me more about your 401k, I'm interested in knowing how much better it is. Oh yea, BTW my big balls, big mouth and half brain can't get me fired as long as I show up on time and do my job. I am looking for more there too so tell me how much better it can get, I'm always looking for better.
If you feel comfortable with your pension you are one of the lucky few. Many of your brothers could see that $4000 per month turn into less than $1100 when they are taken over by the PBGC. I control my 401k not the clowns who have monkeyed up most of the union pensions. Hard to believe that during a time when the stock market has tripled these pensions are pushed to insolvency. I guess when 4 drivers are drawing out to one driver contributing it makes them unsustainable in the long run. Like a Ponzi or pyramid scheme come to think of it. We also get OT after 8 but don't pay any dues to get it. What I pay for insurance is about what you pay in dues so that is a wash. The best thing though is Fedex being a very profitable and growing sustainable company as compared to the shrinking unionized ones. The long term outlook for Fedex is much better than for your union companies. I wouldn't want to say our competition as we are rapidly pulling away.
 
If you feel comfortable with your pension you are one of the lucky few. Many of your brothers could see that $4000 per month turn into less than $1100 when they are taken over by the PBGC. I control my 401k not the clowns who have monkeyed up most of the union pensions. Hard to believe that during a time when the stock market has tripled these pensions are pushed to insolvency. I guess when 4 drivers are drawing out to one driver contributing it makes them unsustainable in the long run. Like a Ponzi or pyramid scheme come to think of it. We also get OT after 8 but don't pay any dues to get it. What I pay for insurance is about what you pay in dues so that is a wash. The best thing though is Fedex being a very profitable and growing sustainable company as compared to the shrinking unionized ones. The long term outlook for Fedex is much better than for your union companies. I wouldn't want to say our competition as we are rapidly pulling away.
I hear a lot of theories and ambiguities there but I am not seeing any beef to back them up. Why is that? I am in the lucky few? I don't see it that way can you show me your data in support of it? Your health insurance costs you $58/month? Scan your check in for me, blank out all the sensitive data and let me take a peek at that, then I'll believe it. Even one of your own called you a liar on it a while back. bla bla bla, show me the data.
 
I hear a lot of theories and ambiguities there but I am not seeing any beef to back them up. Why is that? I am in the lucky few? I don't see it that way can you show me your data in support of it? Your health insurance costs you $58/month? Scan your check in for me, blank out all the sensitive data and let me take a peek at that, then I'll believe it. Even one of your own called you a liar on it a while back. bla bla bla, show me the data.
Go to the YRC board and you will see plenty to confirm what I am saying about most of the union pensions. Of course you probably know already just being obtuse and evasive. Glad your particular pension seems to be ok because most are not. Maybe you would share some of yours with those poor guys in the pensions that are struggling. After all you are all united, one for all and all for one. Lol
 
I see what is said on the YRC forum and I know the truth. All you have is hearsay. It is obvious that you have no clue what the facts are and you don't care. There is no use in wasting my time with you so carry on. Those of us who have any sense know better.
 
I know quite a few guys from FedEx,....Many of them are former Union guys,....and many of them aren't. In this area, the Local Union is getting ready for a Union election,.....We've had several meetings with the guys at the hall already. One of the beefs the FedEx guys have, is that even their #1 guy, on their ....alleged.....seniority board,....has been sent home with less than eight hour's work,....He's an old American Freightways guy, so he's been around a while,.....and his being sent home several times with less than eight hours, while junior guys end up with more than eight is kind of disconcerting to the rest of the employees, and points out starkly, that FedEx's "subtle" message here is that how your dispatcher/terminal manager personally feels about you,....can directly affect your paycheck,...regardless of your alleged seniority. If you are in a Right-To-Work state,...you have no recourse of Labor law. Well,....maybe at your terminal, you're in pretty tight with management,...and you don't have to worry about losing part of your paycheck because you didn't want to lose your First Amendment Rights at the time clock,..........but I can tell you that it does go on at many non-Union places not covered by the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. By the way, ...I'll agree with you about the recent "Crimenibus" bill recently passed, that changes 40 years of ERISA Act legislation that guaranteed no cuts to retirees,......with NO debate in Congress. If nothing else does, Brother,......That action by Congress, based on orders from their handlers on Wall Street,.....should prove to you that there is a definite war on working people,.........We're all choosing sides, now,.......and,....like the old Pete Seeger song goes: "Which Side Are You On , Brother?"
 
I see what is said on the YRC forum and I know the truth. All you have is hearsay. It is obvious that you have no clue what the facts are and you don't care. There is no use in wasting my time with you so carry on. Those of us who have any sense know better.
Surely you don't think your brother teamsters would lie about their own pensions being cut. Bury your head in the sand if you want but facts are facts.
 
Surely you don't think your brother teamsters would lie about their own pensions being cut. Bury your head in the sand if you want but facts are facts.
None have been cut, yet, other than what our Brothers at YRC were terrorized into by management lies.... And,.....those were frozen,...not cut. I believe that when a pension fund will try to enact cuts, the new legislation calls for a vote from the members involved,.....cuts aren't automatic. Of course, this sets up a fight between the two groups of voters:....retirees and workers,.......But, cuts aren't automatic,.....and must be voted on by the rank-and-file. So, ......The "Guarantee" part of Pension Benefit Guarantee Insurance is being gutted out by Congress and their Wall Street handlers? Would you regard that as a good thing for workers? Or,....do you only care about your pension,....oops,....sorry,....investment savings plan? Corporations DO NOT want ANY worker to have a "guarantee" of a pension,....Of course, you already know your 401(k) has absolutely no guarantee on it,.......I'm sure you've read all the prospectus disclaimers that inform you of that ,.......And,....I'm sure you're aware that this next Congress will try to remove or alter some of the Social Security guarantees that are in place now,.....Do you feel safe with your 401(k), when it looks like the corporate world is actively trying to remove pension safety nets for older workers? Pension "cuts" for ANY workers are a sad loss for ALL workers.......
 
He's alway talking smack about the union carriers im thinking he's jeleous of our pension & benefits. I'm thinking his employer doesn't offer them along with overtime....
Puffy is collecting a union pension from the Teamster's. A real piece of work eh?
 
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