XPO | First Dispatched and Pre-Trips

So do u work here and not know what dispatch means?
Yeah I work here.
My point is that just because we use a certain term to mean something doesn't mean HQ does. Just look at the various forms they give ya. They'll use multiple terms to mean the same thing. For example; I've always understood it that I have a hire date, an associate date, and a regular date. And yet on the job selection bid sheet it asks for my 'anniversary date'. Which one is that?
I also heard some time ago that the matter in question was ran up the ladder to HQ for clarity and that the DSRs were told that 'dispatch time' was the time at which a DSR was handed his work assignment.
Granted that's been a number of years ago. I think soon after we first did away with first in first out.
So again, what needs to be done is the terms need to be clarified.
It sounds like folk are assuming that when HQ says 'dispatch time' they mean the time you dispatch at the computer after having hooked..., but what if they actually mean the time you are handed your job assignment by the FOS?
 
Yeah I work here.
My point is that just because we use a certain term to mean something doesn't mean HQ does. Just look at the various forms they give ya. They'll use multiple terms to mean the same thing. For example; I've always understood it that I have a hire date, an associate date, and a regular date. And yet on the job selection bid sheet it asks for my 'anniversary date'. Which one is that?
I also heard some time ago that the matter in question was ran up the ladder to HQ for clarity and that the DSRs were told that 'dispatch time' was the time at which a DSR was handed his work assignment.
Granted that's been a number of years ago. I think soon after we first did away with first in first out.
So again, what needs to be done is the terms need to be clarified.
It sounds like folk are assuming that when HQ says 'dispatch time' they mean the time you dispatch at the computer after having hooked..., but what if they actually mean the time you are handed your job assignment by the FOS?

For all intents and purposes, dispatch refers to when you dispatch yourself at the computer. That's what the FOS sees when he checks his arrivals. He has no way of knowing when the loads were handed out.

That's why it's not FIFO anymore. The incentive to skip a pre-trip, or race to the FAC, is gone.
 
which is a good thing we would have driver is running around now pre trip in anything so they could get there before the other guy pretty much bullshit if you ask me not much integrity anymore the frustrating and sad I'm sure a lot of you feel that way
 
For all intents and purposes, dispatch refers to when you dispatch yourself at the computer. That's what the FOS sees when he checks his arrivals. He has no way of knowing when the loads were handed out.

Who said that's what the term 'dispatch' means to those who set the policy? Did you get that from HQ?

And if it's done by when assignments are handed out, and they are, as is policy, handed out in service rank order, then it becomes a no-brainer.

IMO this entire argument sounds like it's motivated by FAC management who think it'll somehow bring the DSRs into the FAC earlier.

That's why it's not FIFO anymore. The incentive to skip a pre-trip, or race to the FAC, is gone.

So the change is to take all the racing off the highways and limit it to the Conway yards? Whoever can race around the terminal and slam their set together the quickest wins... gotcha.

Sounds a wee bit unsafe to me.
 
So the change is to take all the racing off the highways and limit it to the Conway yards? Whoever can race around the terminal and slam their set together the quickest wins... gotcha.

Sounds a wee bit unsafe to me.

Do you work at Con-Way? If you did, you would understand that racing around the yard doesn't "win" you anything.
 
Do you work at Con-Way? If you did, you would understand that racing around the yard doesn't "win" you anything.
Well this certainly is a confusing conversation.

How does one then get ahead of, i.e. dispatch before, a senior driver if the loads are handed out in service rank order?
 
For all intents and purposes, dispatch refers to when you dispatch yourself at the computer. That's what the FOS sees when he checks his arrivals. He has no way of knowing when the loads were handed out.

That's why it's not FIFO anymore. The incentive to skip a pre-trip, or race to the FAC, is gone.

Had a discussion on this topic tonight with a DSR and his understanding is that 'dispatch' in the context in which are using it, means the point when the FOS hands the driver his work assignment. So again, there seems to be some confusion where terms are concerned.
 
Well this certainly is a confusing conversation.

How does one then get ahead of, i.e. dispatch before, a senior driver if the loads are handed out in service rank order?
Well, let's see. There may be 15 drivers heading to a particular FAC. 5 may get their paperwork at the same time. The senior driver may take a little bit longer to hook his set,and end up dispatching last of those 5. In that case, 4 junior drivers may arrive to the FAC before the senior driver. Of course, since you work at Con-Way, you know that in the days of FIFO, that would have made a difference.
 
Well, let's see. There may be 15 drivers heading to a particular FAC. 5 may get their paperwork at the same time. The senior driver may take a little bit longer to hook his set,and end up dispatching last of those 5. In that case, 4 junior drivers may arrive to the FAC before the senior driver. Of course, since you work at Con-Way, you know that in the days of FIFO, that would have made a difference.

Well it would seem there's no need for them to beat the senior DSR to the FAC if they "dispatched" ahead of him, give it's been said here that "dispatch" time is the determiner. Beyond that all they have to do is make their arrival window and they leave prior to the senior driver.

So basically you've simply reiterated my earlier point that a careless, hurried hook can get you ahead of someone.
 
Well it would seem there's no need for them to beat the senior DSR to the FAC if they "dispatched" ahead of him, give it's been said here that "dispatch" time is the determiner. Beyond that all they have to do is make their arrival window and they leave prior to the senior driver.

So basically you've simply reiterated my earlier point that a careless, hurried hook can get you ahead of someone.
Okay, are you saying there's a benefit to getting there first? If not, what's your point?
 
Okay, are you saying there's a benefit to getting there first? If not, what's your point?
No. There's no point in arriving first because dock shape down is according to "dispatch" time and not arrival time.

My point remains as at the beginning: That what is meant by the term "dispatch" remains in question.

As I stated, there are DSRs at my barn that believe it to be the point when the FOS gives a DSR his/her job assignment.
They came to that understanding by senior drivers here having ran the question up the flag-pole to HQ.
Who clarified it by stating that "dispatch" is the time when an FOS gives a DSR their run assignment.

Now again, this was at the time FIFO was first done away with. If something has changed since then, I'm unaware of it, and I've been running linehaul the entire time.
 
We were told dispatch was determined by your computer dispatch on the FINL.
How else could the destination FOS determine who leaves first?
This turns the yard into a free for all race track to get hooked and to that green dispatch screen quicker. So much for safety. Luckily, my group of drivers have an agreement.....until somebody gets upset and complains.
 
I can see both ways. Proper clarification is needed to protect the seniority, while moving the freight efficiently. If the fos takes a second and staggers the dispatch, shouldn't be an issue. They should have left it in order of seniority... That way who cares if you need to fix a small thing..
 
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