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222lifer said:
Please do Joe
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It's Jim. Thanks.

Here's what stooges say. Joe was at the count. When the board agent made the announcement that the ballots would be impounded, Joe offered to w/d the request for review if the board would count the ballots that night. The motivation was simple, according to the "stooges": Fedex is confident of a 3 to 1 margin of victory in PKB, and they wanted that victory to influence the remaining undecideds in CRW the next day. This is the only reason they made the offer.
The board agent made a call to her boss, who said no. Case closed. The Board agent explained to those in the room that the reason for impounding the ballots was if in case the board changed it's mind (no chance of that) and allowed the dock to vote, then the dock voters (1 dock employee I think) might not be secret. They impound so that he could vote at a later date and get mixed in with the other impounded votes, maintaining his anonymity. Makes sense! Why the Board didn't take Fedex up on their offer to W/D their request for review is anyones guess. You'd think they'd be happy to get it off of their plate and bring the election to closure.

Of course, if they had opened the ballots that night, nothing would have been cancelled. No prohibition or anything different would have happened. There is no "we tricked you, HAHA!" clause in the NLRA that would have been triggered. And if it was a trick, then you'd think the union would have spoke up. The votes would have been known, and we wouldn't have to have this discussion.

Now, The Board has offered to open the CRW ballots this coming Wednesday before the CKB vote on Thursday. Fedex said YES PLEASE. They believe they also have a victory there also, which they believe will help influence the remaining CKB undecideds. Still waiting for a response from the union. If they think won the CRW election, they'd jump at the chance to get the results out before Thursday, don't you think?

That's what I hear.
 
slavenomore said:
The auto industry and its unions made us the greatest nation on Earth.
Imports destroyed them.
It picked up more people than the top 1% ever will.
Their thinking and their contracts were some of the best. The people's reliance on nonunion employers helped destroy them. On your side of the fence is their enemy. The nonunion thought process attacks their livlihood.
You may not see it that way.
But they do.
You dont have to say or do a negative thing to them.
Your truck and uniform say it all.
You and your nonunion companies give their companies leverage for their companies to take from them come contract time.

I know you expect them to see things the way the banks and corporations want everybody to see.
But giving in to that in ways that seem like common sense to you, can lead to loss of things fought for.
Your top CEO Wall st. types understand that well.
I always say unions are the best capitalists.
Your company knows that.
That's why they do anything to keep us out.
There's one pile of money.
The top execs and investors want as much as they can get of it, with least amount of time and effort.
The union wants the same and it cuts into their piece of the pile.
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And that's why the union will never recover to the levels of the 70's and 80's. You guys think the union made this country great? Not a ****ing chance. People make this country great. People with a strong work ethic and good morals and values.

The greed of the auto workers did them in. Imports offered a superior product at a better value. The big 3 just kept producing crap and charged more for it. Look at the union contracts now. They are quite a bit different than before. The union had to adjust and they did.

Until you change your way of thinking, the unions will keep struggling. Give the people something they will want and support. Stop attacking them and belittling them because they don't want to join you. That will never convince anyone that your viewpoint it the right one.
 
yrc-atm said:
Your ignorance is nonstop huh?
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I don't always agree with him, but hes right about this one. I've heard lots of times on union docks they aren't required to do something. I've until this point avoided the lazy union vs non union driver debate, because when I was a Fedex I saw my share of lazy drivers that skated by with nothing said and it would be hard to argue a UPS package car driver is lazy. But on the other hand in other industries (which I feel contributes to most of the unions bad reputation) Go to a UAW plant or steelworkers plant and see what its like. There is one I used to go to where once first shift loaded their "quota" for the day you had to wait for second shift to come in. Then the guys on first literally sat around until quitting time, I guarantee anyone who had to go in there left with a bad taste in their mouth for unions. I cuold give plenty more examples as could others but this thread is already so screwed up I will leave it alone.
 
Purple Hammer said:
The one quote that causes many failures at union companies over time is "That's not in my contract" when asked to do a task. I too have faced the union mentality when making deliveries. Arriving 15 minutes before lunch with 1 skid only to be told to wait even if I offered to pull the freight off. That and many other instances of your so called brotherhood being hard to deal with are a real turnoff. Hard to polish an image like that enough to make me consider joining a union.
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So how do you feel about the dozens of contracts with workers Uncle Freddy employs? They have stipulations also. Violations of such can have serious consequences. Do they get a pass? What about the stubborn receiving clerk that is on a power trip? Should we hang a sign on them also?
 
Jim Carville said:
It's Jim. Thanks.

Here's what stooges say. Joe was at the count. When the board agent made the announcement that the ballots would be impounded, Joe offered to w/d the request for review if the board would count the ballots that night. The motivation was simple, according to the "stooges": Fedex is confident of a 3 to 1 margin of victory in PKB, and they wanted that victory to influence the remaining undecideds in CRW the next day. This is the only reason they made the offer.
The board agent made a call to her boss, who said no. Case closed. The Board agent explained to those in the room that the reason for impounding the ballots was if in case the board changed it's mind (no chance of that) and allowed the dock to vote, then the dock voters (1 dock employee I think) might not be secret. They impound so that he could vote at a later date and get mixed in with the other impounded votes, maintaining his anonymity. Makes sense! Why the Board didn't take Fedex up on their offer to W/D their request for review is anyones guess. You'd think they'd be happy to get it off of their plate and bring the election to closure.

Of course, if they had opened the ballots that night, nothing would have been cancelled. No prohibition or anything different would have happened. There is no "we tricked you, HAHA!" clause in the NLRA that would have been triggered. And if it was a trick, then you'd think the union would have spoke up. The votes would have been known, and we wouldn't have to have this discussion.

Now, The Board has offered to open the CRW ballots this coming Wednesday before the CKB vote on Thursday. Fedex said YES PLEASE. They believe they also have a victory there also, which they believe will help influence the remaining CKB undecideds. Still waiting for a response from the union. If they think won the CRW election, they'd jump at the chance to get the results out before Thursday, don't you think?

That's what I hear.
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Thanks Jim
 
FXFC1620 said:
So charging overtime at risk of discipline is okay if you're doing it for another union worker? I fail to see the difference. To me, fair is fair. Either everyone gets to wait or everyone gets a hand. Shouldn't matter who they are, and if you don't want to risk violating your contract then don't do it for anyone.
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You never mentioned discipline in your previous post. You said they unloaded them on O/T. Contractual obligations. Not a favor.
 
Guardrail said:
And that's why the union will never recover to the levels of the 70's and 80's. You guys think the union made this country great? Not a :censored: chance. People make this country great. People with a strong work ethic and good morals and values.

The greed of the auto workers did them in. Imports offered a superior product at a better value. The big 3 just kept producing crap and charged more for it. Look at the union contracts now. They are quite a bit different than before. The union had to adjust and they did.
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Where do you think you would be today if there were no unions?? What the unions did was to bring the working class into the middle class.. You really think FedEx would be paying you what you get if there was no threat from the union?? You really do live in another world.. Back when the unions were strong you could work 40 hours a week and make a good living.. Try and do that today in this industry.. Corporate America and Wall Street are the problem today. As far as the Auto industry goes the big three signed those deals years ago before the costs of benefits skyrocketed ..And as far as them producing crap,I will take my Chevy over my sons Toyota any day .. There just is no comparison..
Until you change your way of thinking, the unions will keep struggling. Give the people something they will want and support. Stop attacking them and belittling them because they don't want to join you. That will never convince anyone that your viewpoint it the right on.e

If a company treats there employees well then there would not be a reason for a union but as you see there are many in FedEx that seem to want the union.. It works both ways..
 
222lifer said:
So how do you feel about the dozens of contracts with workers Uncle Freddy employs? They have stipulations also. Violations of such can have serious consequences. Do they get a pass? What about the stubborn receiving clerk that is on a power trip? Should we hang a sign on them also?
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I guarantee you that any stipulations in them don't go against productivity which is the gist of this back and forth.
 
Purple Hammer said:
Exactly my point Guardrail at a union company they keep getting their jobs back even when they are extremely deserving of being shown the door. That hurts companies in the long run.
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Guardrail said:
Except if a lazy person gets fired from a non union shop, he stays fired.
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Once again, who's fault is it he didn't stay fired? Many times in their haste, companies fail to properly document and do not have a strong case. That is not the fault of the Union. Perhaps if they weren't guilty of what they are accusing the employee of (laziness) they could accomplish their task at hand? Maybe a better word for that would be inept?
 
Purple Hammer said:
I guarantee you that any stipulations in them don't go against productivity which is the gist of this back and forth.
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Interesting. So you feel that none of these contracts have specific language regarding certain duties that each contractor is responsible for protecting that work for those contracted to do such work?
 
222lifer said:
You never mentioned discipline in your previous post. You said they unloaded them on O/T. Contractual obligations. Not a favor.
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I didn't. You did.

The auto workers who unload trailers at GM have a quota. Once that quota is filled, they can literally fall asleep on the table until the shift is over and nobody can tell them otherwise. If they are asked to unload a trailer above quota, they bill O/T for the duration of the time they work the trailer. All contractual obligations.

Where it goes into favor territory is when a non-union driver is told to wait (for shift change, or someone who's quota isn't filled) while a union driver is willingly given the benefit of an O/T unload with no request from management to do so.

I keep asking you how this is fair, and you still have not answered the question. I have also pointed out that this type of behavior is exactly what turns people off of the union, and others agree with me. This example is a demonstration of why drivers are voting no to representation.

To simplify it, union workers turned BEING a union worker into a little exclusive club some years ago, where the card holders were special and those who didn't were the have nots. Now you come to the non-union workers your culture once sneered at and say "Want to be part of the club now?" And you're genuinely surprised when a number of them say "Don't want to be part of a club of a-holes, thanks." I repeat, it's an image issue on the part of the union.

I can agree with worker representation. But the unions really need to change their image and tactics if they want to change the minds of the people they've burned over the years. And that will be no easy feat. I remember when working at a carrier like Holland required knowing someone. Everyone does. And it's those days, that you all so lament as lost, that the rest of us remember because we weren't good enough for your union back then.
 
222lifer said:
Once again, who's fault is it he didn't stay fired? Many times in their haste, companies fail to properly document and do not have a strong case. That is not the fault of the Union. Perhaps if they weren't guilty of what they are accusing the employee of (laziness) they could accomplish their task at hand? Maybe a better word for that would be inept?
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From the companies point of view the deadbeat is a drain on profits, whereas from the unions point of view the deadbeat is contributing his dues to their coffers. So keep saving them and we will slowly bury the union companies. Where will the unions be then when they drive all of their carriers out of business? Also it's not just the lazy ones but also the screwups who tear up everything in sight only to be saved again and again. I am all for second and even third chances however the teamsters brag on the free passes given. Please do continue along the path and the demise will come sooner than you expect for your union.
 
222lifer said:
Interesting. So you feel that none of these contracts have specific language regarding certain duties that each contractor is responsible for protecting that work for those contracted to do such work?
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You can bet it doesn't include the shenanigans being talked about your brothers in the union.
 
222lifer said:
Interesting. So you feel that none of these contracts have specific language regarding certain duties that each contractor is responsible for protecting that work for those contracted to do such work?
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Those contractors have a contract to keep the ditch full.
The ones pulling 3 boxes in a blizzard flying past others that follow the law and drop a box.
 
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