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SwampRatt said:
Yes I agree. Except there is no reason for all 50-60 guys to know all routes. That is what extra (unassigned) drivers do. Also floaters on 4 day bids run for whoever is off that day...

Still random routes, like is the practice at my barn, is frustrating for all. The driver, the dispatcher, and not to be forgotten... the customer.
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That's exactly what we do around our barn. We use them to supplement all routes. They all get a hand at the different routes.
 
Jim Carville said:
All true! But it doesn't preclude Fedex from making the offer, or preclude the Board from accepting it and opening the ballots. The rules don't prohibit it. The explanation was in response to the notion that the company rep tried to "trick" the agent into voiding the election by opening the ballots.
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Gottcha... I doubt that "trickery" was the motive.
 
bigtruk_us said:
I always have looked at Nissan.Even though they do produce high end vehicles as well as the lower end ones.With Nissan being non union.Alot of their cars and SUVs are priced as high as the Union produced vehicles.
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It takes longer for those profits to get to Japan..
 
SwampRatt said:
While I agree with your overall points, One thing to factor in: If one guy is always in a hurry, to the point of being a pest, trying to rush YOU, the customer, are you going to be as helpful to him, as you would be to the guy who is respectful of your job and the duties you must perform? I only mention this because, I often go behind other drivers who might be one of the fastest, but when I go there, I have to hear about how unhappy the customer was with "that guy".

It happens, more than some would like to believe.
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If the customer is unhappy with the driver why do they send him their ?
Or he just has not been snitched off yet ? I sure their are plenty of poster girls out their drooling to move up.
 
222lifer said:
That's exactly what we do around our barn. We use them to supplement all routes. They all get a hand at the different routes.
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Guardrail said:
Nope. I picked the first car on the list when I did a general search. You just like running your yap, don't you? You made a claim that imports cost twice as much as domestic models. I did a quick search on cars.com, harvested the first vehicle on the list and proved you wrong. If I really gave a :::shit:::, I'd compare options on the cars I chose so I could prove you wrong again.

You remind me of the steering wheel holder sitting at the "trucker" horseshoe table at every truck stop. Always has a story a little bit better, but seldom is anywhere close to the truth.

Keep holding court, everyone can see through your BS.
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That the best you can do junior, I wish I was half as smart as you think you are! Give a man a badge and he becomes God!! Not in my world, Oh and by the way, I don't do truck stops to many grocery haulers parked at the fuel pumps to get in!!!
 
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Getoverit said:
How much them imports cost now!!! Twice what an USA made car would,
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I've been challenged on my pricing quote boys and I have to admit I did inflate the price of foreign cars a bit, I said they cost twice as much when actually some are only 25 percent more!! Unless you pick a Lexus or bmw or a Benz then there twice as much! Just a little clarity on my pricing, anyway you can reach me at BR561 with any questions, JR.
 
FXFC1620 said:
Nobody is specifically attacking you, and nobody is saying deadbeats don't exist on both sides. However, union deadbeats are often allowed to keep being deadbeats because the union gets them their job back if they get fired for being deadbeats.

Three guys pissed in the paint at the GM body shop after getting drunk on lunch break. When they were fired for screwing up the plant for a whole day while the paint system was cleaned, the union fought it and got them their jobs back. Does that mean the whole plant is full of deadbeats? Not on your life. I have friends who work there, and I spent a lot of time there. Lots of good folks.

If someone took a dump in a trailer, they should get canned. If someone pissed on the seat of a tractor, they should get canned. The difference between union and non is that, if caught, one will fire that driver and he'll be gone for good. The other will have him working again in a few weeks, tops. And I don't think that should be the case, first offense or not. If you're that kind of guy, figuratively speaking, I don't wanna work with you and nobody else should, either.

Nobody is calling the whole union an outfit of deadbeats. The few that are tend to stand out because they're impossible to get rid of. And they, too, taint the image of what the union offers.
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And you have them as well, I know for a fact you have one!!! That's people, not all are perfect!! Although there's a couple who seem to think they are!!! I haven't seen no crapping in the trailer here, these guys can go to the restroom when ever necessary!! But in the end you guys have deadbeats as well!
 
buffalobill said:
Guardrail, a lot of Food barns are union. Sysco and US Foods both are, at a lot of bigger cities.

the ones that are not union around here are out in the sticks, and their pay shows it. they are 5 to 7 dollars an hour lower than the union barns, and that's not including the benefits.

From what I have seen, since these are not national contracts, just white paper contracts, the union DEFINETLY sets the bar on pay and benefits.
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Wasting your time Bill!! Have a good day Brother....
 
Getoverit said:
And you have them as well, I know for a fact you have one!!! That's people, not all are perfect!! Although there's a couple who seem to think they are!!! I haven't seen no crapping in the trailer here, these guys can go to the restroom when ever necessary!! But in the end you guys have deadbeats as well!
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My example was extreme, I admit, but the point wasn't to say "Holland drivers **** on their trucks and FedEx drivers don't." And deep down, you knew that when you replied. The point was to illustrate a comparative case to the very real one I gave about GM employees.

Read my entire post next time. If you had, you'd have known that I acknowledged FedEx has deadbeats. Now, answer the question that you keep dodging.

Why does union protection allow deadbeats to keep being deadbeats? At non-union jobs, an employee that flagrantly disregards the rules is disciplined and eventually fired if they don't get the hint. At union jobs, employees receive little to no punishment for doing things that are capable of disgusting people and disrupting an entire job site because the union ensures they are protected.

You shouldn't be fired for being five minutes late once or twice. But you should be fired if you decide your fuel tank is a good substitute for a toilet just because you don't like your truck.
 
Cab Lizzard said:
If the customer is unhappy with the driver why do they send him their ?
Or he just has not been snitched off yet ? I sure their are plenty of poster girls out their drooling to move up.
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1) The Company doesn't know that the customer doesn't like the pushy style, because the Customer (receiving guy) hasn't (yet) called to complain.
2) The end (numbers achieved) justifies the means, to some.

There is a balance somewhere between top shelf customer service and a reasonable sense of urgency. One side has a number associated with it, the other does not. The irritated (or not) customer is an unmeasured metric, in this equation. But one which still has value, long term.
 
Guardrail said:
Nope. I picked the first car on the list when I did a general search. You just like running your yap, don't you? You made a claim that imports cost twice as much as domestic models. I did a quick search on cars.com, harvested the first vehicle on the list and proved you wrong. If I really gave a :::shit:::, I'd compare options on the cars I chose so I could prove you wrong again.

You remind me of the steering wheel holder sitting at the "trucker" horseshoe table at every truck stop. Always has a story a little bit better, but seldom is anywhere close to the truth.

Keep holding court, everyone can see through your BS.
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FXFC1620 said:
My example was extreme, I admit, but the point wasn't to say "Holland drivers **** on their trucks and FedEx drivers don't." And deep down, you knew that when you replied. The point was to illustrate a comparative case to the very real one I gave about GM employees.

Read my entire post next time. If you had, you'd have known that I acknowledged FedEx has deadbeats. Now, answer the question that you keep dodging.

Why does union protection allow deadbeats to keep being deadbeats? At non-union jobs, an employee that flagrantly disregards the rules is disciplined and eventually fired if they don't get the hint. At union jobs, employees receive little to no punishment for doing things that are capable of disgusting people and disrupting an entire job site because the union ensures they are protected.

You shouldn't be fired for being five minutes late once or twice. But you should be fired if you decide your fuel tank is a good substitute for a toilet just because you don't like your truck.
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I'm gonna say this and not beat it to death like some seem to want, ping pong is not a game I care for!! If For some reason the unions in this country would all fail we would be in some serious trouble. These corporations would just run amuck doing who ever and what ever they wanted!! Look at your company, just the thought of union representation has them jumping thru hoops to give you this and that and the moon!!!!! Not because they respect you, because they don't want rules that protect the workers!! It hasn't got one thing to do with the money as far as the employees go, it's about what they can't shovel into their pockets!! If you think anything else I really feel bad for you!! But hey, some people like being treated bad!!! And if you don't think your drivers wee wee on their trucks you need to come out on the road it happens all Nite, at any given ramp or rest area!! There are times when it's easier and quicker to just use a ramp!!!
 
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Getoverit said:
I'm gonna say this and not beat it to death like some seem to want, ping pong is not a game I care for!! If For some reason the unions in this country would all fail we would be in some serious trouble. These corporations would just run amuck doing who ever and what ever they wanted!! Look at your company, just the thought of union representation has them jumping thru hoops to give you this and that and the moon!!!!! Not because they respect you, because they don't want rules that protect the workers!! It hasn't got one thing to do with the money as far as the employees go, it's about what they can't shovel into their pockets!! If you think anything else I really feel bad for you!! But hey, some people like being treated bad!!! And if you don't think your drivers wee wee on their trucks you need to come out on the road it happens all Nite, at any given ramp or rest area!! There are times when it's easier and quicker to just use a ramp!!!
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I'll repeat it again, since you can't seem to understand me. I am not bashing the existence of the unions. I am not saying all union workers are lazy a-holes. I am not saying that non-union workers are any better than union workers. And I am not saying that employees don't deserve protection from unfair business practices.

I own and operate my own incorporated business on contract to FedEx Freight Canada Corporation, so it doesn't affect me if employees of FedEx Freight Incorporated (not "my" company, like you keep saying) vote in the Teamsters at any center that isn't a gateway. I'm a team road driver, an owner/operator who runs overnight freight.

I am saying that a disproportionate number of lazy a-holes who are protected by the unions are allowed to keep being lazy a-holes because the unions protect them from being punished for being lazy a-holes.

And what I am asking you is why someone who has violated common sense by choice in a way that could never be excused as a mistake or an accident should be protected from punishment to the same degree as someone who was five minutes late for their shift. Because in my opinion, one deserves protection and the other deserves punishment. I shouldn't have to explain which is which, this post is long enough.

I know I'm Canadian, but I'm not speaking French. Read my post very carefully if you're going to respond to it. Because if you think you're tired of playing ping pong? Driver I have asked you the same question three times and you have failed to answer it properly. I've AGREED with you. TWICE. And you're acting like I'm arguing with you. Stop wasting my time and either answer my question properly or admit that you can't. If you don't respond, I will assume you can't answer my question.
 
FXFC1620 said:
My example was extreme, I admit, but the point wasn't to say "Holland drivers **** on their trucks and FedEx drivers don't." And deep down, you knew that when you replied. The point was to illustrate a comparative case to the very real one I gave about GM employees.

Read my entire post next time. If you had, you'd have known that I acknowledged FedEx has deadbeats. Now, answer the question that you keep dodging.

Why does union protection allow deadbeats to keep being deadbeats? At non-union jobs, an employee that flagrantly disregards the rules is disciplined and eventually fired if they don't get the hint. At union jobs, employees receive little to no punishment for doing things that are capable of disgusting people and disrupting an entire job site because the union ensures they are protected.

You shouldn't be fired for being five minutes late once or twice. But you should be fired if you decide your fuel tank is a good substitute for a toilet just because you don't like your truck.
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FXFC1620 said:
I'll repeat it again, since you can't seem to understand me. I am not bashing the existence of the unions. I am not saying all union workers are lazy a-holes. I am not saying that non-union workers are any better than union workers. And I am not saying that employees don't deserve protection from unfair business practices.

I own and operate my own incorporated business on contract to FedEx Freight Canada Corporation, so it doesn't affect me if employees of FedEx Freight Incorporated (not "my" company, like you keep saying) vote in the Teamsters at any center that isn't a gateway. I'm a team road driver, an owner/operator who runs overnight freight.

I am saying that a disproportionate number of lazy a-holes who are protected by the unions are allowed to keep being lazy a-holes because the unions protect them from being punished for being lazy a-holes.

And what I am asking you is why someone who has violated common sense by choice in a way that could never be excused as a mistake or an accident should be protected from punishment to the same degree as someone who was five minutes late for their shift. Because in my opinion, one deserves protection and the other deserves punishment. I shouldn't have to explain which is which, this post is long enough.

I know I'm Canadian, but I'm not speaking French. Read my post very carefully if you're going to respond to it. Because if you think you're tired of playing ping pong? Driver I have asked you the same question three times and you have failed to answer it properly. I've AGREED with you. TWICE. And you're acting like I'm arguing with you. Stop wasting my time and either answer my question properly or admit that you can't. If you don't respond, I will assume you can't answer my question.
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Why not a Gateway ?
 
Cab Lizzard said:
Why not a Gateway ?
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If a gateway votes yes, it may affect Canadian operations. That being said, it'd be out of my hands if that was to happen. But the rest of this debate is about FedEx employees exercising their right to organize (or not, as the case may be). So it has zero bearing on me outside a gateway because I never go anywhere else.
 
FXFC1620 said:
I'll repeat it again, since you can't seem to understand me. I am not bashing the existence of the unions. I am not saying all union workers are lazy a-holes. I am not saying that non-union workers are any better than union workers. And I am not saying that employees don't deserve protection from unfair business practices.

I own and operate my own incorporated business on contract to FedEx Freight Canada Corporation, so it doesn't affect me if employees of FedEx Freight Incorporated (not "my" company, like you keep saying) vote in the Teamsters at any center that isn't a gateway. I'm a team road driver, an owner/operator who runs overnight freight.

I am saying that a disproportionate number of lazy a-holes who are protected by the unions are allowed to keep being lazy a-holes because the unions protect them from being punished for being lazy a-holes.

And what I am asking you is why someone who has violated common sense by choice in a way that could never be excused as a mistake or an accident should be protected from punishment to the same degree as someone who was five minutes late for their shift. Because in my opinion, one deserves protection and the other deserves punishment. I shouldn't have to explain which is which, this post is long enough.

I know I'm Canadian, but I'm not speaking French. Read my post very carefully if you're going to respond to it. Because if you think you're tired of playing ping pong? Driver I have asked you the same question three times and you have failed to answer it properly. I've AGREED with you. TWICE. And you're acting like I'm arguing with you. Stop wasting my time and either answer my question properly or admit that you can't. If you don't respond, I will assume you can't answer my question.
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I plainly said there are a few whom do slip thru the cracks, they abuse the system!!!! But that's only one or two out of thousands of hard working men and women who come to work and do their job and do it well!! damn racer thats like saying if one guy comments murder in the neighborhood we should hang the whole neighborhood !! You are talking about such a small percentage of the members that it doesn't make sense to blame the 99,98 percent of the members who are hard working people! And I'm not arguing with you I'm just discussing our differences of opinion. I've had trucks of my own, I know your position! I've been driving for 42 years now. such a small percentage of people to let them get to you, it's not worth it! You be safe
 
Getoverit said:
I plainly said there are a few whom do slip thru the cracks, they abuse the system!!!! But that's only one or two out of thousands of hard working men and women who come to work and do their job and do it well!! damn racer thats like saying if one guy comments murder in the neighborhood we should hang the whole neighborhood !! You are talking about such a small percentage of the members that it doesn't make sense to blame the 99,98 percent of the members who are hard working people!!!
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I'm not laying blame, driver. And you're absolutely right, most union workers are good folks. But it's a highly visible flaw when the unions defend the indefensible and let the people who do these awful things get away with it. Reminds me of criminal lawyers, really. There to defend the innocent and the guilty alike.

Way I see it, folks like that make the majority look bad. If doing things like that is frowned on by the rank and file, please enlighten us with that information. But most of us on the outside believe that union culture encourages bad behavior because it there's little to no punishment. And the people who behave badly generally believe the same thing.

Personally, I wouldn't wanna work with the kind of person that'd behave badly enough to be justifiably fired. And I really wouldn't wanna work with that person if (assuming I were a union laborer as I once was) the union got them their job back.

Honestly? It's not like I ask if someone works a union job before I shake their hand. I'm not anti-union like that...I just don't want it in my own workplace.
 
FXFC1620 said:
Driver I have asked you the same question three times and you have failed to answer it properly. I've AGREED with you. TWICE. And you're acting like I'm arguing with you. Stop wasting my time and either answer my question properly or admit that you can't. If you don't respond, I will assume you can't answer my question.
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I understand your position...but if you're expecting an answer from a union guy on a question that he knows would incriminate the union, you're wasting your time.
We have a driver who signed a card because he thought the union was the answer. Because he lives an hour away from our yard, and the local, he didn't want to use half a day on the weekend to drive down to attend the meetings and ask questions, so he called the local organizer from the comforts of his recliner. After a short pleasant conversation, the driver started asking the organizer questions concerning the union. Instead of answering the questions, the organizer instead replied with attack questions! He said the conversation quickly got heated and it ended up with not only him voting NO in our election, but he helped to encourage others to do the same.
The facts of this story is that the union already had this guy, he signed a card, but the attitude and the lacking of skills to answer questions by the organizer about the union actually drove this and other drivers away!
 
FXFC1620 said:
I'm not laying blame, driver. And you're absolutely right, most union workers are good folks. But it's a highly visible flaw when the unions defend the indefensible and let the people who do these awful things get away with it. Reminds me of criminal lawyers, really. There to defend the innocent and the guilty alike.

Way I see it, folks like that make the majority look bad. If doing things like that is frowned on by the rank and file, please enlighten us with that information. But most of us on the outside believe that union culture encourages bad behavior because it there's little to no punishment. And the people who behave badly generally believe the same thing.

Personally, I wouldn't wanna work with the kind of person that'd behave badly enough to be justifiably fired. And I really wouldn't wanna work with that person if (assuming I were a union laborer as I once was) the union got them their job back.

Honestly? It's not like I ask if someone works a union job before I shake their hand. I'm not anti-union like that...I just don't want it in my own workplace.
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Redracer3136 said:
I understand your position...but if you're expecting an answer from a union guy on a question that he knows would incriminate the union, you're wasting your time.
We have a driver who signed a card because he thought the union was the answer. Because he lives an hour away from our yard, and the local, he didn't want to use half a day on the weekend to drive down to attend the meetings and ask questions, so he called the local organizer from the comforts of his recliner. After a short pleasant conversation, the driver started asking the organizer questions concerning the union. Instead of answering the questions, the organizer instead replied with attack questions! He said the conversation quickly got heated and it ended up with not only him voting NO in our election, but he helped to encourage others to do the same.
The facts of this story is that the union already had this guy, he signed a card, but the attitude and the lacking of skills to answer questions by the organizer about the union actually drove this and other drivers away!
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He and I had a conversation together with out all that childish crap you just slung on there, I don't believe a word of it! If a man is to lazy to get off his lazy ass and go to the meeting it doesn't say much for him now does it!!! I think it's bull ::shit:: my self, YEP !!!!!!
 
Getoverit said:
He and I had a conversation together with out all that childish crap you just slung on there, I don't believe a word of it! If a man is to lazy to get off his lazy ass and go to the meeting it doesn't say much for him now does it!!! I think it's bull :::shit::: my self, YEP !!!!!!
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That's the exact response I expected from the union supporters...thanks for not disappointing!
You've almost got the same attitude as the union organizer!
 
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