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Gator said:
You don't have to log it two hours but if it was me I would make a notation I was here and compensated. What you do is up to you. Say you live 70 miles from work drove in then sent home . 2.5 hours of your day and you pull in your drive and the call you be here in in 4 hours. Your not going to bed and your 6.5 hours now into your day. Logged or not have a wreck and a 10 hour break isnt there your in trouble.
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Per federal law you will log all time spent in compensation. It is not your choice or your dispatcher's
When your company started compensation your 10 hour clock started On Duty Not Driving.
 
I've been here 20 years and I've never logged the two hour compensation after being cancelled and sent home....and nothing has ever been said. I'll continue to do it this way until I'm told otherwise.
 
Cab Lizzard said:
Per federal law you will log all time spent in compensation. It is not your choice or your dispatcher's
When your company started compensation your 10 hour clock started On Duty Not Driving.
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I disagree.
If I'm not offered a run and it's given to a junior driver, I can file on the run and get compensated for every mile/hr the junior driver worked/drove. I'll get compensated for the run but that doesn't mean I must log it.
 
Cab Lizzard said:
The person that does not log the 2 hours so they are eligible for the next call block is also screwing the other people on the board.
In a audit by company or DOT you are falsifying your logs . Which is grounds for termination .
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Again, I disagree.
If you show up, you're there 5 mins, get cancelled, and you leave, then log two hours for the compensation, your falsifying your log for an 1 hour & 55 mins...falsifying for anything over 15 mins WILL get you terminated.
 
Redracer3136 said:
I've been here 20 years and I've never logged the two hour compensation after being cancelled and sent home....and nothing has ever been said. I'll continue to do it this way until I'm told otherwise.
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Your company managers may look the other way or are stupid .
This is federal law that you are held to. It's your job to know the rules to protect your CSA points and your CDL.
Have an accident and they will crawl up your B-hind .
 
Redracer3136 said:
Again, I disagree.
If you show up, you're there 5 mins, get cancelled, and you leave, then log two hours for the compensation, your falsifying your log for an 1 hour & 55 mins...falsifying for anything over 15 mins WILL get you terminated.
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Your paid 2 hours you log 2 hours.
 
This is interesting Redracer has another interesting point, being paid for a run from a grievance you wouldn't have log. An owner operator dead heading isn't being paid but he has to log it, when I'm in vacation I'm being compensated but I don't have to log it.
 
Cab Lizzard said:
Per federal law you will log all time spent in compensation. It is not your choice or your dispatcher's
When your company started compensation your 10 hour clock started On Duty Not Driving.
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Receiving compensation for your time and being compensated are different. I agree that you should be paid for showing up, but you never worked soooo is it the chicken or the egg that comes first
 
Redracer3136 said:
So if a junior driver drives 648 miles, works 1.5 hrs on the clock, and I get compensated for it because I was overlooked, then I must log it just as he did it because I got compensated?
I don't think so.
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Has nothing to do with junior driver its between the DOT and YOU.
The COMPANY only gets FINED and CSA POINTS for allowing it.
 
Been quite some time since I argued a log case, but this one has piqued my interest.

Here goes: YOU are required to log DUTY, whether compensated or not. If you are required to be there, in attendance and not free to come and go, you are in fact, ON DUTY. If you are truly free to come and go, you are OFF duty.

Now then, Your show up time is 9:00. You arrive at 8:55 and are notified you have been canceled. You get paid 2 hours, but have never been on duty. You are free to go have a beer, for example. Obviously OFF DUTY.

Different scenario: You show up time is 9:00. You arrive at 8:55. Go ON DUTY at 9:00. At 9:08 you are notified you have been cancelled.Technically you must show 15 min. ON DUTY, since you can not flag such an entry from the off duty line (only the drive line). Again you get paid 2 hours, but were only ON DUTY for 15 min (actually 8 min). Also, unless there is a time stamp somewhere showing exactly when you were canceled, it could not be proven that you were ever on duty. Having said that, the regulations say you must log all ON DUTY time.

The 2 hour compensation $ is just an amount of pay and not any indication of time spent or duty performed.

In BOTH scenarios your commute time is irrelevant to the log book.
 
johndeere4020 said:
This is interesting Redracer has another interesting point, being paid for a run from a grievance you wouldn't have log. An owner operator dead heading isn't being paid but he has to log it, when I'm in vacation I'm being compensated but I don't have to log it.
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You file and win then bylaw you need to file a corrected log for the time paid.
The O/O is driving a commercial vehicle on public road must log.
Vacation you log off duty out of service
I have had situation's personally with all this but the vacation pay never has come up. Unless the DOT has a discretion they can use, yes a log for paid vacation should be noted.
This should give the safety dept something to do Monday .
 
SwampRatt said:
Been quite some time since I argued a log case, but this one has piqued my interest.

Here goes: YOU are required to log DUTY, whether compensated or not. If you are required to be there, in attendance and not free to come and go, you are in fact, ON DUTY. If you are truly free to come and go, you are OFF duty.

Now then, Your show up time is 9:00. You arrive at 8:55 and are notified you have been canceled. You get paid 2 hours, but have never been on duty. You are free to go have a beer, for example. Obviously OFF DUTY.

Different scenario: You show up time is 9:00. You arrive at 8:55. Go ON DUTY at 9:00. At 9:08 you are notified you have been cancelled.Technically you must show 15 min. ON DUTY, since you can not flag such an entry from the off duty line (only the drive line). Again you get paid 2 hours, but were only ON DUTY for 15 min (actually 8 min). Also, unless there is a time stamp somewhere showing exactly when you were canceled, it could not be proven that you were ever on duty. Having said that, the regulations say you must log all ON DUTY time.

The 2 hour compensation $ is just an amount of pay and not any indication of time spent or duty performed.

In BOTH scenarios your commute time is irrelevant to the log book.
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The law say's all time compensated which is 2 hours in this case. Two hours logged on bottom line.
 
Cab Lizzard said:
The law say's all time compensated which is 2 hours in this case. Two hours logged on bottom line.
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Disagree on this one Cab, The 2 hour pay is a increment of pay, a dollar amount, nothing more. It is not pay for time. it is pay for having wasted your time. If they increased it to 3 hours pay, would you then be required to log 3 hours, even though zero time was spent on duty?

The confusion comes from the terminology. If they instead said, you get $52.00 show up pay, it would be the same. Just like fuel, it's an increment (amount) of pay. Not pay for time served.
 
SwampRatt said:
Disagree on this one Cab, The 2 hour pay is a increment of pay, a dollar amount, nothing more. It is not pay for time. it is pay for having wasted your time. If they increased it to 3 hours pay, would you then be required to log 3 hours, even though zero time was spent on duty?

The confusion comes from the terminology. If they instead said, you get $52.00 show up pay, it would be the same. Just like fuel, it's an increment (amount) of pay. Not pay for time served.
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Yes but in the situation I was brought into bottom line with DOT was that the money's paid showed up on the employees hours that week in question.
Hence all time compensated.
Both sides agreed to a corrected log and the employee resigned his part time job on the phone while we all watched.
The company backed off the falsification of logs and rescinded the termination .
A simple little 1 1/2 hour run around and it turned into a can of worms real quick.
May add the company management stuck it to this guy every chance they got. He gave them many.
 
SwampRatt said:
Been quite some time since I argued a log case, but this one has piqued my interest.

Here goes: YOU are required to log DUTY, whether compensated or not. If you are required to be there, in attendance and not free to come and go, you are in fact, ON DUTY. If you are truly free to come and go, you are OFF duty.

Now then, Your show up time is 9:00. You arrive at 8:55 and are notified you have been canceled. You get paid 2 hours, but have never been on duty. You are free to go have a beer, for example. Obviously OFF DUTY.

Different scenario: You show up time is 9:00. You arrive at 8:55. Go ON DUTY at 9:00. At 9:08 you are notified you have been cancelled.Technically you must show 15 min. ON DUTY, since you can not flag such an entry from the off duty line (only the drive line). Again you get paid 2 hours, but were only ON DUTY for 15 min (actually 8 min). Also, unless there is a time stamp somewhere showing exactly when you were canceled, it could not be proven that you were ever on duty. Having said that, the regulations say you must log all ON DUTY time.

The 2 hour compensation $ is just an amount of pay and not any indication of time spent or duty performed.

In BOTH scenarios your commute time is irrelevant to the log book.
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Good to see my old friend still at it! Hope you are well. I had to come out of trucking board retirement lol
 
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