Yellow | Big Vote Coming in Central States Fund Don't Let Them Divide Us!
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highheadblues
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Hate to throw water on their proposed solution, but pension relief is a fairy tale as long as republicans control congress. Their thing is crushing unions not helping them.
What exactly is the pension relief you're talking about here that the Republicans oppose? Can you be a little more specific?
highheadblues
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They oppose all pension relief unless theirs is included which last time I checked they weren't in central states. They oppose anything unions are for. They would come out against pb&j if unions were for them
You still haven't answered my question. I get it that you believe Republicans are anti-union, but let me repeat my question - What exactly is the pension relief you're talking about here that the Republicans oppose? Specifics please, not generalizations.
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I was refering to the article in which it states that there is another avenue to fix the pension, which they are stating it could be possible to obtain pension relief from congress, or in other words a bailout. Now you tell me what the likelyhood of congress, especially a republican congress, will vote ror a union bailout? I'll put my money on pigs flying first.
What's done is done, and we can't undo any of it. But, let's have a quick refresher here.
Sen. Edward Kennedy [D], pushed for Deregulation of the Trucking Industry. His staff did all the leg work on the Bill, because Kennedy, Biden and Dodd were always drunk and chasing Female Staffers in the Congressional Lounge. It was passed in both Houses and brought to President Carter [D] to sign into law. Yeah, The Democrats are Friends of Labor while they are campaigning, afterwards, they never heard of Us.
I won't take up anymore space or time telling you about NAFTA, another "Big D" Triumph.
Sen. Edward Kennedy [D], pushed for Deregulation of the Trucking Industry. His staff did all the leg work on the Bill, because Kennedy, Biden and Dodd were always drunk and chasing Female Staffers in the Congressional Lounge. It was passed in both Houses and brought to President Carter [D] to sign into law. Yeah, The Democrats are Friends of Labor while they are campaigning, afterwards, they never heard of Us.
I won't take up anymore space or time telling you about NAFTA, another "Big D" Triumph.
You're welcome Hardcore Teamster.
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The Dems are less our enemy than the Repubs. NAFTA was the brainchild of Ronald Reagan (R) and relayed through by both D's and R's. The only polotician I ever heard come out against it (in the US) was H. Ross Perot and we saw him get flushed down the toilet.
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I DO BELIEVE ALL POLITICAL PARTIES VOTED FOR THIS SPENDING BILL THAT THIS PENSION REFORM ACT WAS ATTACHED TOO.THAT SAID WITH OBAMA AS PRESIDENT WHAT HAS HE DONE FOR LABOR SINCE HE HAS BEEN IN OFFICE THIS LAST SEVEN YEARS?MAYBE HE WILL BAIL OUT CENTRAL STATES LIKE HE DID FOR GM AND OTHERS TOO........
I have news for you, there is no Santa Claus. While I would love to see a "bailout", there is no chance of that happening regardless of which party controls congress. Educate yourself on the dismal state of affairs with numerous public sector pensions and then ask yourself if ours has any chance of a government "gift". Reality is not always pleasant.
States In Danger As Pension Underfunding Of $4.7 Trillion Threatens Their Fiscal Health
http://news.investors.com/ibd-edito...blic-unions-threaten-states-fiscal-health.htm
The oncoming wave of public pension debt is even bigger than it seems. The purpose of this website is to provide an overview of the multiple pension crises that are about to drown America's taxpayers. Our primary focus is on California, but we also track other states, corporate pensions, social security and international trends. Now completing its tenth year.
http://www.pensiontsunami.com/
Public Pensions Are Still Marching To Their Death
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffrey...c-pensions-are-still-marching-to-their-death/
I don't care if it was Lincoln that first thought of it. The reality is that the D's controlled Congress and rammed it through. I watched the vote on tv that night and dropped sick afterward because I was to distraught to drive, I had made myself sick over it.
Bonnier and Gephardt came out against it on tv afterwards. I applaud them for doing so, they looked as sick as I was. Both sides of the aisle have blood on theirs hands. None of them are Our Friends. We are in this alone, let's stop beating each other up and start pulling in the same direction.
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I'm on board. So...let's quit blaming just Kennedy, Carter and Clinton...
Teamsters spend big on politics while preparing to cut pensions
Union tosses cash at lobbying despite retirement shortfalls
The Teamsters have begun informing retirees and current workers that their pension benefits may soon be cut, the final ironic twist to a lobbying campaign that saw the union spend its own members’ dollars to win the right to shrink their retirement pay.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/20/teamsters-spend-big-on-politics-while-preparing-to/
Union tosses cash at lobbying despite retirement shortfalls
The Teamsters have begun informing retirees and current workers that their pension benefits may soon be cut, the final ironic twist to a lobbying campaign that saw the union spend its own members’ dollars to win the right to shrink their retirement pay.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/20/teamsters-spend-big-on-politics-while-preparing-to/
Well keep voting yes , on the pension cuts too then , cause you seem to think that these yes votes are working well for us , also then we should cut your S.S. monthly check too then , so just keep right on voting yes , and keep giving away everything our teamster Brothers fought for back in the 1960's and 1970,s !!!!
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What everyone one needs to remember in voting on this, is the vote does not make any difference; CSPF is going to cut the pension benefits with, or without a yes vote.
The Miller-Kline Amendment requires that participants, active and retired in the fund, will be given a chance to vote yes or no on the proposed cuts….BUT, IF THE FUND ALREADY IN CRITICAL STATUS, THE TRUSTEES OF THAT FUND CAN OVERRIDE THE VOTE IF WE VOTE NO.
CSPF is going to make the cuts. What we ALL need to do is vote NO and let a major majority show that in our vote count. Legal channels are being worked on as we speak, but how the hell will you think it will look if we are split down the middle on a yes or no vote, let alone, a scared majority voting yes?
After all the yes and no votes on MOUs in the past few years, you would think Teamsters would have learned by now how the outcome was later?
As for those new Brothers & Sisters who just got hired, there will not be much of a pension for you at CSPF period because in that Miller –Kline Bill it states that AFTER Pension cuts have been implemented, the companies can withdraw from The Funds TEN (10) YEARS AFTER THE CUTS HAVE BEEN MADE, with very little liabilities.
So, come 2026 and probably even before that, you will probably be in a Teamsters 401k plan that companies will be matching some each week.
Don’t buy into the scare tactics of the IBT, CSPF and your companies…..just ask the YRCW Teamsters how that worked out in the last MOU vote.
We either stand together and be strong as one, or run and hide for the rest of your life…..Teamsters don’t cut and run.
The current retirees did not back in their days, why should you?
You have a job because they retired, not to forget the strikes they went through to get what we all have now!
Now they should be given what was promised!.....KK
The Miller-Kline Amendment requires that participants, active and retired in the fund, will be given a chance to vote yes or no on the proposed cuts….BUT, IF THE FUND ALREADY IN CRITICAL STATUS, THE TRUSTEES OF THAT FUND CAN OVERRIDE THE VOTE IF WE VOTE NO.
CSPF is going to make the cuts. What we ALL need to do is vote NO and let a major majority show that in our vote count. Legal channels are being worked on as we speak, but how the hell will you think it will look if we are split down the middle on a yes or no vote, let alone, a scared majority voting yes?
After all the yes and no votes on MOUs in the past few years, you would think Teamsters would have learned by now how the outcome was later?
As for those new Brothers & Sisters who just got hired, there will not be much of a pension for you at CSPF period because in that Miller –Kline Bill it states that AFTER Pension cuts have been implemented, the companies can withdraw from The Funds TEN (10) YEARS AFTER THE CUTS HAVE BEEN MADE, with very little liabilities.
So, come 2026 and probably even before that, you will probably be in a Teamsters 401k plan that companies will be matching some each week.
Don’t buy into the scare tactics of the IBT, CSPF and your companies…..just ask the YRCW Teamsters how that worked out in the last MOU vote.
We either stand together and be strong as one, or run and hide for the rest of your life…..Teamsters don’t cut and run.
The current retirees did not back in their days, why should you?
You have a job because they retired, not to forget the strikes they went through to get what we all have now!
Now they should be given what was promised!.....KK
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All the whinnying about the dems and reps gets us nowhere.stand up and stand together for what is right for once in your life. Teamsters back in the day stood strong and proud, we owe it to them and ourselves to do the exact same thing TODAY. BE STRONG!!!!!!!!! You are correct KKWhat everyone one needs to remember in voting on this, is the vote does not make any difference; CSPF is going to cut the pension benefits with, or without a yes vote.
The Miller-Kline Amendment requires that participants, active and retired in the fund, will be given a chance to vote yes or no on the proposed cuts….BUT, IF THE FUND ALREADY IN CRITICAL STATUS, THE TRUSTEES OF THAT FUND CAN OVERRIDE THE VOTE IF WE VOTE NO.
CSPF is going to make the cuts. What we ALL need to do is vote NO and let a major majority show that in our vote count. Legal channels are being worked on as we speak, but how the hell will you think it will look if we are split down the middle on a yes or no vote, let alone, a scared majority voting yes?
After all the yes and no votes on MOUs in the past few years, you would think Teamsters would have learned by now how the outcome was later?
As for those new Brothers & Sisters who just got hired, there will not be much of a pension for you at CSPF period because in that Miller –Kline Bill it states that AFTER Pension cuts have been implemented, the companies can withdraw from The Funds TEN (10) YEARS AFTER THE CUTS HAVE BEEN MADE, with very little liabilities.
So, come 2026 and probably even before that, you will probably be in a Teamsters 401k plan that companies will be matching some each week.
Don’t buy into the scare tactics of the IBT, CSPF and your companies…..just ask the YRCW Teamsters how that worked out in the last MOU vote.
We either stand together and be strong as one, or run and hide for the rest of your life…..Teamsters don’t cut and run.
The current retirees did not back in their days, why should you?
You have a job because they retired, not to forget the strikes they went through to get what we all have now!
Now they should be given what was promised!.....KK
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I don't know how the fund managers can know if the cuts will sustain solvency?? As I'm under the understanding that any cuts made.Must show that these cuts will permanently fix that fund.That is in the amendment.or am I wrong?