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ABF | Red circle drivers to UE

SAC75 said:
Ya this is ridiculous. Even the people who voted for this didn't even agree with all this. We really need new leadership that actually works for a living. Can't believe our union has come down to this. Makes me sad.
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Sad, frustrated even lost my faith in our union altogether. How can they expect any of the others to want to join us with what they have to offer anymore? The only way they got UPS freight was with card check agreement with UPS after they let them out of CSPF and started the program where the workers make payments towards their health insurance. As if UPS needs their workers to chip in.
 
ABFer said:
Sad, frustrated even lost my faith in our union altogether. How can they expect any of the others to want to join us with what they have to offer anymore? The only way they got UPS freight was with card check agreement with UPS after they let them out of CSPF and started the program where the workers make payments towards their health insurance. As if UPS needs their workers to chip in.
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Amen Brother! :6788:
 
ebark63 said:
Everyone hired after November 1 2013 has a red circle. By the way I am a road driver.
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I thought that the "red circle" language was a condition that protected existing road drivers hired after a certain date from being "replaced" by Purchased Transportation........as in whether certain Operations people may think it would be more "productive" to lay off existing drivers and divert more freight to PT. As to the MOU's,.....MOST of them were there as we voted on the contract,.......The ones that weren't were minor changes to existing language,......but they did attempt to get a MOU about changing vacations so that new-hires would get some sort of time off,...whether paid or unpaid. I think we all remember when they were talking about that last year. The Freight Negotiating Panel said "Unilaterally",...meaning everyone, across the board,....so ABF dropped their push for a MOU on vacations. MOUs are O.K.,.....as long as the people supposedly on your side are negotiating in your best interests.....MOUs concerning monetary or fringe benefits must be voted on by the rank-and-file,.....which is what YRC did,......three times,.....without opening their contract. We don't have contract books because we don't have specific language giving us individual contract books...Contractually,....all they have to do is provide a copy to each terminal or facility. The books were originally a point of pride that Mr. Hoffa SENIOR pushed,.....His idea was to make sure the rank-and-file had just as much information about their contract as the companies had, so the employees weren't dependent on the companies' "interpretation" of the language. For 30 years, we didn't need specific language,.....because of the "Pride" thing with the IBT leadership,.....They would push to get us the books..........Well,....we all see were the...."Pride".....went,.....and now we know we NEED that language,.....similar to the UPS contract,.....that guarantees contract books............Thirty years ago,....a "Red Circle" driver was a road driver hired BEFORE a certain date,....and his Red Circle status gave him super seniority at foreign terminals.........As they died off/retired,...that language was retired..............only to be resurrected in this contract.........
 
canaryinthemine said:
We don't have contract books because we don't have specific language giving us individual contract books...Contractually,....all they have to do is provide a copy to each terminal or facility.
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I am pretty damn sure that the DOL requires that they furnish us with a copy of our contract upon request, same as bylaws and constitution.
 
ebark63 said:
Everyone hired after November 1 2013 has a red circle. By the way I am a road driver.
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It's the other way around. Everyone hired before the last contract has a red circle, protecting them from layoffs due to purchase transportation (jipos) any one hired after that can be layed off and ABF can still run pt
 
ABFer said:
I am pretty damn sure that the DOL requires that they furnish us with a copy of our contract upon request, same as bylaws and constitution.
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We went to file a grievance on lack of contract books, and all the language says is a copy furnished to each terminal. Not even individual contract book language. All we could possibly file on was past practice,......and if that was lost,....depending on wording,.....then the DOL.
 
Art.19, Posting, Sec. 1: " A copy of this Agreement shall be posted in a conspicuous place in each garage and terminal."........That's it.....all they got to do,......bare minimum is the corrected, photostated, scribbled-on, loose-leaf pile of sheets we got for a so-called contract.
 
canaryinthemine said:
I thought that the "red circle" language was a condition that protected existing road drivers hired after a certain date from being "replaced" by Purchased Transportation........as in whether certain Operations people may think it would be more "productive" to lay off existing drivers and divert more freight to PT. As to the MOU's,.....MOST of them were there as we voted on the contract,.......The ones that weren't were minor changes to existing language,......but they did attempt to get a MOU about changing vacations so that new-hires would get some sort of time off,...whether paid or unpaid. I think we all remember when they were talking about that last year. The Freight Negotiating Panel said "Unilaterally",...meaning everyone, across the board,....so ABF dropped their push for a MOU on vacations. MOUs are O.K.,.....as long as the people supposedly on your side are negotiating in your best interests.....MOUs concerning monetary or fringe benefits must be voted on by the rank-and-file,.....which is what YRC did,......three times,.....without opening their contract. We don't have contract books because we don't have specific language giving us individual contract books...Contractually,....all they have to do is provide a copy to each terminal or facility. The books were originally a point of pride that Mr. Hoffa SENIOR pushed,.....His idea was to make sure the rank-and-file had just as much information about their contract as the companies had, so the employees weren't dependent on the companies' "interpretation" of the language. For 30 years, we didn't need specific language,.....because of the "Pride" thing with the IBT leadership,.....They would push to get us the books..........Well,....we all see were the...."Pride".....went,.....and now we know we NEED that language,.....similar to the UPS contract,.....that guarantees contract books............Thirty years ago,....a "Red Circle" driver was a road driver hired BEFORE a certain date,....and his Red Circle status gave him super seniority at foreign terminals.........As they died off/retired,...that language was retired..............only to be resurrected in this contract.........
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In the southern region (ie term 086) red circle drivers are those individuals who were hired and able to vote during the last contract vote. It is covered under article 29 and I have been filing grievances under that article for the last 8 months. The article is protection against P.T.S. There are two key provisions that protect us. (1) if you are a red circle driver you are protected against P.T.S. working and you not, (2) ABF hiring drivers to limit the number of P.T.S. runs.
 
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