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This is Mrs. ESP..Mr. Mud what an appropriate name for one who supports that team Up North..I am not sure how you even got permission to post that awful sign on this forum..I will have ESP look into that to see if the M's and all M words can be banned.. GO BUCKS.. do I have to drive to New Exico to make this clear???
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Learn more about Central States Pension Fund’s proposed pension rescue plan during this brief video presentation, followed by a telephone town hall meeting that will include a live question-and-answer session.

When: Thursday, October 15 at 5 p.m. Central

To Watch: Visit CSPensionRescue.com/townhall to access the video presentation from your home computer or mobile device.
To Listen: Call 1-877-327-9495, passcode 111566 (audio only).
 
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I am sorry mud, she came into this room and saw what you did, she turned green, swelled up so big , her cloths ripped off. I know to just hide, when that happens.
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Nittany lions visit Columbus Saturday. Last year, took a bad call on a trapped interception for Bucks to get it tied in regulation , then win in double OT.
 
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brothers and sisters; where did you get indoctrinated? public (government) schools? haven't you learned by now that 'government' is nothing more than a gang (shysters) of men and women who point guns at us to force us to pay them to point guns at us?
Haven't you been taught that a "pension" is nothing more than a PONZI scheme?
what caused any of you to believe that if you (employer) contributes in your name $1000/month to a casino for 30 years you'll get $3k or $4k or $5k a month till the day you die?
ALL OF US HAVE BEEN SOLD A LIE
why did not the "brotherhood" require that $200 or $500 or $1000 a month be paid directly to the worker? allow the worker to manage for his own retirement? is the worker too stupid to manage his own affairs? is the worker any worse than FUND managers?
Just who was it that convinced the worker to accept a lie?
WAS THE WORKER SEEKING TO GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING? <- I say YES

and now we have a 2019 time frame shoved up our asses to make a change.

if it ain't in your pocket IT AIN'T YOURS.

negotiate a direct weekly or monthly pension paid directly into the workers pocket OR stfu,

the ONLY people surviving on a pension were born before 1955, the Ponzi scheme has run out.

just like the healthcare scam, I would be MUCH better if the company paid to me $500/month than to pay to BCBS $1200/month; I'd have $6k/year to play with, and if I get cancer good for me, i'll take that $60k I saved for 10 years and have a ball instead of buying some doctor (ever heard of a doctored document? doctored people aren't any different) a new Mercedes.

wake up people, stop negotiating for something you'll probably never get and definitely never fund.

I'm sure to hear the crybabies that claim they worked hard and earned "their" pension; to that I say - if you really worked hard at it you would have learned what factually a pension is and would have rejected the BS

ps a pension is also a method used to keep people working for the same butt-hole, when, if they could they would take their pension and find a better boss, but instead they stay with the butt-hole because the pension anchors them... imagine that - the UNION has found methods to keep people locked in...
 
mydogREX said:
brothers and sisters; where did you get indoctrinated? public (government) schools? haven't you learned by now that 'government' is nothing more than a gang (shysters) of men and women who point guns at us to force us to pay them to point guns at us?
Haven't you been taught that a "pension" is nothing more than a PONZI scheme?
what caused any of you to believe that if you (employer) contributes in your name $1000/month to a casino for 30 years you'll get $3k or $4k or $5k a month till the day you die?
ALL OF US HAVE BEEN SOLD A LIE
why did not the "brotherhood" require that $200 or $500 or $1000 a month be paid directly to the worker? allow the worker to manage for his own retirement? is the worker too stupid to manage his own affairs? is the worker any worse than FUND managers?
Just who was it that convinced the worker to accept a lie?
WAS THE WORKER SEEKING TO GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING? <- I say YES

and now we have a 2019 time frame shoved up our asses to make a change.

if it ain't in your pocket IT AIN'T YOURS.

negotiate a direct weekly or monthly pension paid directly into the workers pocket OR stfu,

the ONLY people surviving on a pension were born before 1955, the Ponzi scheme has run out.

just like the healthcare scam, I would be MUCH better if the company paid to me $500/month than to pay to BCBS $1200/month; I'd have $6k/year to play with, and if I get cancer good for me, i'll take that $60k I saved for 10 years and have a ball instead of buying some doctor (ever heard of a doctored document? doctored people aren't any different) a new Mercedes.

wake up people, stop negotiating for something you'll probably never get and definitely never fund.

I'm sure to hear the crybabies that claim they worked hard and earned "their" pension; to that I say - if you really worked hard at it you would have learned what factually a pension is and would have rejected the BS

ps a pension is also a method used to keep people working for the same butt-hole, when, if they could they would take their pension and find a better boss, but instead they stay with the butt-hole because the pension anchors them... imagine that - the UNION has found methods to keep people locked in...
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Wow, you wrote it in bold print you must be correct. I agree with the pension part but as far as the insurance I don't know where you're buying the insurance we get for $500 a month. I've got four people in my family. I definitely could not touch a plan with a 10 foot pole for $500 a month with the low deductibles that we have.
 
SAC75 said:
Wow, you wrote it in bold print you must be correct. I agree with the pension part but as far as the insurance I don't know where you're buying the insurance we get for $500 a month. I've got four people in my family. I definitely could not touch a plan with a 10 foot pole for $500 a month with the low deductibles that we have.
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(bold is much easier for me to read, I thought I choose green)
I said that I would be better off and the company would be better off, your situation is particular to you, however a doctor does nothing to cure any "disease" if a doctor did he would be advising you as to what minerals you lack that your body can use to cure it-self; nobody here tells their body how to grow, heart to beat, blood to flow, the body does these by it-self, therefore the body heals it-self IF you feed it what it needs - if you think a pill or shot is going to help the body you've (and I) have been lied to... SO if I had $500/month on my pocket I could do my body much better than a doctor, and if I break an arm I can get it set for $500 cash instead of $5500 insurance cost.

btw type 2 diabetes is most likely caused by a mineral deficiency, but the Dr wont tell you that and instead they automatically put you on some drug that causes you to $hit your pants.

so "health" care is just like the pension, a Ponzi that causes you to work in order to put money into someone else's pocket...

AND - does anybody think that the fund managers had to work 60+hours a week? or that they are looking forward to a messily $1500 - $2000/month retirement (1 weeks pay a month where a gallon of gas was $0.75 at the funding start and $3.00 on the first day of "retirement"?)
 
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mydogREX said:
(bold is much easier for me to read, I thought I choose green)
I said that I would be better off and the company would be better off, your situation is particular to you, however a doctor does nothing to cure any "disease" if a doctor did he would be advising you as to what minerals you lack that your body can use to cure it-self; nobody here tells their body how to grow, heart to beat, blood to flow, the body does these by it-self, therefore the body heals it-self IF you feed it what it needs - if you think a pill or shot is going to help the body you've (and I) have been lied to... SO if I had $500/month on my pocket I could do my body much better than a doctor, and if I break an arm I can get it set for $500 cash instead of $5500 insurance cost.

btw type 2 diabetes is most likely caused by a mineral deficiency, but the Dr wont tell you that and instead they automatically put you on some drug that causes you to $hit your pants.

so "health" care is just like the pension, a Ponzi that causes you to work in order to put money into someone else's pocket...
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You should've been a doctor. You seem to know more than most doctors do now. Your to smart to be a teamster. Myself i'll take my ponzi scheme health care and survive thru sickness and kids getting hurt wife needing surgery. I would have been bankrupt 5 times by now. That's just my opinion. Have a good night
 
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SAC75 said:
You should've been a doctor. You seem to know more than most doctors do now. Your to smart to be a teamster. Myself i'll take my ponzi scheme health care and survive thru sickness and kids getting hurt wife needing surgery. I would have been bankrupt 5 times by now. That's just my opinion. Have a good night
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here is some thought provoking material, although it is more directed towards public or government pension schemes all pension funds are operated - invested - dolled out - raided - hidden - stolen in the same manner.

the main discussion begins at 13:00, it is long however your contribution period and retirement living is much longer.... enjoy the painful truth the banksters - politicians - fund managers have hidden from the misguided into trusting people -

(if after viewing you continue to believe any fund is failing, well, keep believing the lies)
(might forward to 2:40:00)
 
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need a little more information? do you know factually what CSPF is investing in?
we labor to earn a contribution, fund managers take our labor (contribution) and have wild parties for themselves, we are soon told that not only will we not get the $1k/month contribution returned upon retirement but we will only get 75% of our monthly contribution limited to 10 years...
(forward to 12:35)
 
mydogREX said:
brothers and sisters; where did you get indoctrinated? public (government) schools? haven't you learned by now that 'government' is nothing more than a gang (shysters) of men and women who point guns at us to force us to pay them to point guns at us?
Haven't you been taught that a "pension" is nothing more than a PONZI scheme?
what caused any of you to believe that if you (employer) contributes in your name $1000/month to a casino for 30 years you'll get $3k or $4k or $5k a month till the day you die?
ALL OF US HAVE BEEN SOLD A LIE
why did not the "brotherhood" require that $200 or $500 or $1000 a month be paid directly to the worker? allow the worker to manage for his own retirement? is the worker too stupid to manage his own affairs? is the worker any worse than FUND managers?
Just who was it that convinced the worker to accept a lie?
WAS THE WORKER SEEKING TO GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING? <- I say YES

and now we have a 2019 time frame shoved up our asses to make a change.

if it ain't in your pocket IT AIN'T YOURS.

negotiate a direct weekly or monthly pension paid directly into the workers pocket OR stfu,

the ONLY people surviving on a pension were born before 1955, the Ponzi scheme has run out.

Well so far the PONZI SCHEME has poid me over $404,834.76 since end of July 2006.

just like the healthcare scam, I would be MUCH better if the company paid to me $500/month than to pay to BCBS $1200/month; I'd have $6k/year to play with, and if I get cancer good for me, i'll take that $60k I saved for 10 years and have a ball instead of buying some doctor (ever heard of a doctored document? doctored people aren't any different) a new Mercedes.

wake up people, stop negotiating for something you'll probably never get and definitely never fund.

I'm sure to hear the crybabies that claim they worked hard and earned "their" pension; to that I say - if you really worked hard at it you would have learned what factually a pension is and would have rejected the BS

ps a pension is also a method used to keep people working for the same butt-hole, when, if they could they would take their pension and find a better boss, but instead they stay with the butt-hole because the pension anchors them... imagine that - the UNION has found methods to keep people locked in...
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mydogREX said:
brothers and sisters; where did you get indoctrinated? public (government) schools? haven't you learned by now that 'government' is nothing more than a gang (shysters) of men and women who point guns at us to force us to pay them to point guns at us?
Haven't you been taught that a "pension" is nothing more than a PONZI scheme?
what caused any of you to believe that if you (employer) contributes in your name $1000/month to a casino for 30 years you'll get $3k or $4k or $5k a month till the day you die?
ALL OF US HAVE BEEN SOLD A LIE
why did not the "brotherhood" require that $200 or $500 or $1000 a month be paid directly to the worker? allow the worker to manage for his own retirement? is the worker too stupid to manage his own affairs? is the worker any worse than FUND managers?
Just who was it that convinced the worker to accept a lie?
WAS THE WORKER SEEKING TO GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING? <- I say YES

and now we have a 2019 time frame shoved up our asses to make a change.

if it ain't in your pocket IT AIN'T YOURS.

negotiate a direct weekly or monthly pension paid directly into the workers pocket OR stfu,

the ONLY people surviving on a pension were born before 1955, the Ponzi scheme has run out.

just like the healthcare scam, I would be MUCH better if the company paid to me $500/month than to pay to BCBS $1200/month; I'd have $6k/year to play with, and if I get cancer good for me, i'll take that $60k I saved for 10 years and have a ball instead of buying some doctor (ever heard of a doctored document? doctored people aren't any different) a new Mercedes.

wake up people, stop negotiating for something you'll probably never get and definitely never fund.

I'm sure to hear the crybabies that claim they worked hard and earned "their" pension; to that I say - if you really worked hard at it you would have learned what factually a pension is and would have rejected the BS

ps a pension is also a method used to keep people working for the same butt-hole, when, if they could they would take their pension and find a better boss, but instead they stay with the butt-hole because the pension anchors them... imagine that - the UNION has found methods to keep people locked in...
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Well this PONZI Scheme has paid me over $404,000 since i retired end of July 06. I will just deal with the CUTS!
 
I had a couple of months short of having 34 years paid in and they say I will only get a little over $1,500 a month. I figured that to be a 54% reduction. The full amount was paid in all those years,and I retired in 2009,from YRC with 5 years with them before they quit paying the full amount. The others went out of business,but the full amount was paid in.I don't know why I got that big of a reduction.Can anyone explain?I don't know where to find the answer.Could we all get together and hire a law firm to fight this?
 
wolfmanmack said:
I had a couple of months short of having 34 years paid in and they say I will only get a little over $1,500 a month. I figured that to be a 54% reduction. The full amount was paid in all those years,and I retired in 2009,from YRC with 5 years with them before they quit paying the full amount. The others went out of business,but the full amount was paid in.I don't know why I got that big of a reduction.Can anyone explain?I don't know where to find the answer.Could we all get together and hire a law firm to fight this?
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The short answer is no. Congress gave everyone involved immunity from civil action.
 
wolfmanmack said:
I had a couple of months short of having 34 years paid in and they say I will only get a little over $1,500 a month. I figured that to be a 54% reduction. The full amount was paid in all those years,and I retired in 2009,from YRC with 5 years with them before they quit paying the full amount. The others went out of business,but the full amount was paid in.I don't know why I got that big of a reduction.Can anyone explain?I don't know where to find the answer.Could we all get together and hire a law firm to fight this?
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Any company that closed and didn't pay the millions/billions in withdrawal fees- those guys (me) had their time reduced to 110% of the pension guarantee for the years worked there.
 
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jimmy g said:
Any company that closed and didn't pay the millions/billions in withdrawal fees- those guys (me) had their time reduced to 110% of the pension guarantee for the years worked there.
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Wolfman mack should feel glad to be getting 1500. You my brother, worked 22 years and you will get about 1200, I worked 31.3 years and will get 1209 bucks. The longer you worked, the bigger your check and the bigger your percentage is to be cut. Sounds to me like he was cut to the 110% of PBGC and added some for his over 30 years by four years. come up to 1500. He is a lucky man. I know some who went from 3500 to 1200. Every case is different. As our leader Tom says " be damn glad you are getting something instead of nothing"
 
ESP said:
Wolfman mack should feel glad to be getting 1500. You my brother, worked 22 years and you will get about 1200, I worked 31.3 years and will get 1209 bucks. The longer you worked, the bigger your check and the bigger your percentage is to be cut. Sounds to me like he was cut to the 110% of PBGC and added some for his over 30 years by four years. come up to 1500. He is a lucky man. I know some who went from 3500 to 1200. Every case is different. As our leader Tom says " be damn glad you are getting something instead of nothing"
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Sounds like Tom needs a foot planted in his ass!
 
This is so sad...Wow, who would have thought the The Big U would go down like this. This is heartbreaking. It seems the only people who lose are the rank and file. YRC Executives cashing in stocks in the millions. IBT Executives walk away with thier retirment intact. Were is the "Justice!"
 
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