$15 Minimum Wage Will Cost Jobs

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  1. Rastus

    Rastus ......Deplorable.....

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    She doesn't have to be Loretta Lynch has her back.
     
  2. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    So far your guys efforts to crush her are in vain.
    Maybe she mailed a letter or two without a stamp, someone look into that.
     
  3. Woody

    Woody Sons of Trump

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    She is already finished.... Trump in a landslide
     
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  4. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    We would never find a finger print of hers on the envelope. She's been pretty good at destroying evidence. She would have the envelopes "wiped clean", but this time actually "with a cloth".
     
  5. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    OK so now we both know Republicans in congress are wasting our money investigating her.
    Lets spend that money on the children
     
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  6. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Who you trying to kid? You want the money for yourself.
     
  7. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    I'm honest, If they offered I would accept.
    How about you?
     
  8. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    I've never accepted any money that I didn't earn, how about you?
    I bet your honesty just came to a halt.
     
  9. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    And you never committed a dishonest act in your life. :2437:
    I just told you I was honest and would take it.
    But you can't come clean with us old friends here on the board.
    I'm a bit disappointed in you tonight, I made the quandary easy enough.
     
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  10. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Corporate influence through lobbyist is a huge problem......but in spite of everyone knowing that.....it's not going away.... I would venture to say we likely both agree on that..

    True.....but we both know she is the Corporate favorite, and any technicality will do.....as it already appears to be...

    I agree.....and yes Obama campaigned on helping main street......obviously after he was sworn in the Oligarchs who run the "show" provided him with his new agenda....sure they gave him him some latitude...just enough to give apperances of "serving the people"...but overall....he serves them....look at the recovery of the markets and who benefits the most from that......


    I can't speak for Magoo ( he speaks very well for himself)....but its not that anyone hates the rich as it is that the fact of concentrated wealth in the hands of a very few is very detrimental to the Nation....it takes out huge amounts of money from the economy as well as the treasury....
    Magoo actually supported Sanders rather than Clinton as a first pick.....but if being for the rich and being rich is bad (as you attribute that to Clinton)....then by the same token, the same reasoning should apply to Trump as well... He will also continue to feed the ever expanding wealth and income inequality....

    No one knows?.... "Electing" a President that no one knows what he might do doesn't sound like good logical reasoning........ If he were to win....he would comply with the agenda that will be handed to him....assuming his intentions were diffrent..

    Which I doubt....

    Sounds exactly like Trump.....

    No one is refusing to acknowledge "enemies both foregin and domestic"... Everyone knows the World is full of hate and danger.... The only difference is in the opinions on what can or should be done about it...
    And didn't the Republicans whine about how Libya was handled..?.. We didn't invade and occupy Libya.... Perhaps that's what they wanted??...
    Yes...sadly there are far to many politicians of both parties that like war as the preferred method to "problem solving"..
    I don't think ISIS is representative of the religion of Islam...
    Probably not anymore than the US Government is representative of Christianity..
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  11. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    (I will pass on the previous discussion points because we seem to agree and start here)

    The difference between Hilly's rich and Trumps rich is the way they present
    Hilly is loaded, yet she goes on and on about income inequality yet (like most libs) isn't about to give any of hers away (a tad hypocritical IMO)
    All the rich libs do it from politicians to Hollywood, they preach this crap and do nothing about while flying of to Europe on their private jets

    An expanding economy will benefit us all, our economy is barely growing, incomes for middle America are down. We don't need another big govt program, we need govt to get out of the way

    There is a right thing
    there is a wrong thing
    Hilly will do the wrong thing
    As for electing a president that no one will know what he will do, how about "hope and change" or "fundamental transformation"
    WTF did that mean in 2008? (ps- we know now)

    Trump yesterday said he would be the "law and order" president
    Hilly says its all white peoples fault

    this administration refuses to acknowledge ISIS and the rise of radical Islamic terrorists
    Maj. Huessan murders 13 at Ft. Hood- don't let the actions of one man tarnish an entire religion
    Michael Brown shot by a cop- We need a nationwide police force. Cambridge- the police acted "stupidly"
    Islam we take on a case by case bases (about 1/2 a dozen that resulted in deaths) one cop goes rouge and the entire blue line is to blame
    A thug gets what is coming to him- the administration sends representatives
    Kyle doesn't even get a condolence card
    The JV team is slaughtering people world wide

    Nothing needed to be done in Libya, Qaddafi was not a threat
    he was removed as part of the Arab Spring which all it did was destabilize the middle east and N. Africa
    It was extremely bad foreign policy, one supported by the Hilly Dept of State, now people want to make her president?

    Our govt doesn't reperesent Christianity, our govt is god (in their minds)
    there is nothing Christian about our govt, not in thought word or deed
     
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  12. Rastus

    Rastus ......Deplorable.....

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  13. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Another diffrence is that Clinton is at least acknowledging there is problem....Thanks going to Sanders for that....

    Actually it's not "crap"...it is a serious problem.....but yes, nothing is done to address it......

    I agree....but taking money out of an economy isn't going to be good for it....wages have been stagnant for decades....why?.... Government has allowed Corporations to take their jobs offshore and allows them to shelter their trillions in offshore tax havens...
    Sounds like Government is "out of the way" When profits become more important than life, this is what you get...

    But you believe and hope in the change that Trump talks about......even though you know he's not fit to be President and you admit he's a "wildcard"......

    And exactly what is that supposed to mean?.... Being President isn't the same as being the Sheriff...

    NO ONE in this administration has refused to say ISIS and terrorism isn't a real problem....

    That isn't for a cop to deside....a Judge or jury determines that.... Cops are not the Judge the jury or the executioner

    Except in actually defending his personal safety

    Neither was Iraq.....but we invaded anyway....which was my point.... At least we didn't invade Libya.....

    That's all very true....and neither does ISIS represent Islam...
     
  14. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    yes because if Hilly could have buried her head in the sand and ignored it, she would have

    at least in the days of the Robber Barons, stuff was created and built for the people (ie Rail Roads, Cheaper fuel, etc....) today, a lot especially those like Clinton produce nothing, They have done nothing to benefit society despite racking up a 1/4 billion fortune.

    and Hilly's solution
    "we will raise taxes on corporations"
    That will not work, that is why they went offshore in the first place

    I don't neither are fit to be president
    Back in the 80's Richard Pryor made a move called "Brewsters Millions" (not a bad movie) Pryor (Brewster) had to spend $30M in 30 days but could own no assets. He decides to run for mayor of NYC, but cant because the job came with a salary and he would lose his true inheritance. Thus he starts the "None of the Above" campaign. That is what we need in the country. Neither of these POS are good enough to be president, neither should have the opportunity.

    Barry went to Dallas yesterday and spoke at the Police Memorial.
    It was a decent speech until he blamed: guns and the American sins of the past
    it was a memorial service for officers murdered and he throws in his political agenda
    Being President is not the same as being sheriff but as president, you set the agenda, when you attack the cops and support the thugs, you are definitely unconcerned about law and order

    Barry called them the JV team and said they were "contained" neither of which was true
    San Bernadino- left blames the guns
    Orlando- left blames the guns

    No but the Dallas police chief nailed it
    people want the cops to be: law and order, social workers, counsilors, etc.......
    stretched to the limit, mistakes will be made.
    Remember these people are people that see others at their worst times. No one calls the police when things are going well

    that is debatable, plus there is plenty of sound bytes from the left telling the world how dangerous Saddam was
    Yes we did not invade Libya but we assisted in the over throw

    ISIS is hard core Islam, following the teachings of the prophet Mohammad who was mass murderer, ask the Jews of the Banu Qurayza, all males from puberty forward were beheaded
     
  15. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Most likely yes.....

    That is a problem..... They produce more wealth for themselves......

    I would venture to say that most Companies pay far less in taxes than the "coporate rate" because of loopholes and other advantages they may get...and some don't pay any..... The bigger reason they offshore jobs is labor and benefit costs.....and not having to be concerned about environmental issues.... They exploit those foreign Countries people and their environment.... They don't use those profits to clean up after themselves when something bad happens....... So the whole tax argument isn't the complete picture....it's rather small in comparison to the above points....

    True....and that is true of most Politicians at that level.....
    Those that would try to do the right things for the citizens don't make it to far..... Sanders, whether you agree with him or not, I feel was sincere and would have done his best to do the right thing......but even IF he did win, the corrupted system and all of the owned politicians would have made it impossible for him to do much of anything....if at all....

    I saw that movie.... It was a decent movie.... In todays political environment, "none of the above" would be a better choice.....but we both know that isn't going to be allowed..... They pick two people and then the voters get to "choose" between those two...

    I didn't hear his speech so I can't comment on its contents....but as far as blaming guns.....its more complex than just that.....certainly they are part if the issue...

    I haven't heard the President "attacking the cops" in any previous comments.... There is a difference between "attacking the cops" and bringing attention to those cops that are unfit to be Police officers.....which there are plenty examples of....even if they didn't kill anyone.....

    Any President is going to make statements like that...... What message would it send to the public if he was saying "ISIS is eveywhere and if you leave your homes you're going to lose your head!!...."
    Of course he is going to make seem like they've got it under control..... That's being a politician....but by the same token, it also shows he knows terrorism is a problem and isn't saying it isn't....
    No one thinks terrorism and ISIS aren't big problems..... Right-wing talking heads just like you to think that so you'll run to vote for the guy they have choosen for you....

    As I've already mentioned.... Guns are part of the equation.... There are other factors involved that don't generate much attention because those are much harder to address.... People are going to kill other people in the current system we live in..... Guns, especially assault rifles, make it possible to kill many people in a short time frame....gun control is just a way to reduce the numbers killed in such inevitable events..... Is it working??... Not so much.... With the millions of weapons out there already....that ship has already sailed...

    By and large, police do a good job..... Many, however, are unfit to be officers and they are the problem....along with the others that allow them to get away with their crimes......which then makes the problem worse...
    But yes... I agree they do deal with bad stuations and often the worst that society has to offer, which underscores the importance of purging their ranks of the bad ones....and better training on how to deal with the general public to gain their trust....not make tensions worse....

    Yes there is.... The so called "left" was just as complicit with the Iraqi invasion as the so called "conservatives".....
    Assisting in overthrowing a Government is different than an all out military invasion....cheaper too.... In both money and lives lost....
    Personally, I dont think the United States shouldn't be involved in the political affairs of other Nations......perhaps if we didn't accert ourselves all over the Global, maybe we wouldn't have as much of a problem with terrorism that we do now

    ISIS uses religion as their excuse.....
    The vast majority of people that practice Islam are not terrorists and mass murderers......
     
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  16. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    which they hide in the foundation so they don't have to tax it as regular income
    So, as Hilly runs around demanding the "rich" pay their "fair share" she hides money
    hypocrite

    no loopholes, 15% across the board, end of story

    the right thing is not to take what I earn and give it to someone else because they think that would be "fair"
    Bernie's line of thinking and mine just don't jive.

    :1036316054:

    He said in the memorial service for the officers
    "it is easier to get a Glock than a book or a computer"
    he also claimed we don't do enough for education despite spend more money than any other nation on the planet on education
    In addition, he is the one fighting charter schools and voucher programs. Being political is one thing, but there is a time and a place, this was not it.

    Cambridge- "the police acted stupidly" that was the shot across the bow
    all the information was not in, yet he condemned the police

    the world is not a small place anymore, people can see what is going on over there from the drowning of people in cages to the throwing of people off buildings. Barry chose to ignore this. He pulled out and left no residual force, a major mistake that he refuses to take responsibility for. Islamic terrorist attacks in this country have been written off as "workplaced violence" "disgruntaled employees" then off to blame guns

    As for guns being a problem, due to population white people own far more guns than black people, yet how often are you hearing about 35-50 people shot over the weekend in the suburbs?

    I would not say many, there are a few, that guy in S. Carolina for example
    Watch the footage following the Castile shooting, that officer is visably shaken, he knows he made an error.
    Police are a micro vision of society overall

    Yet the left blames the right and gets away with barring no responsibility and are able to pontificate how they "would have done things differently" despite the fact most of them voted for the authorization

    As to your second point I agree
    One must have their own house in order and ours is not in order

    Then according to ISIS they are doing it wrong Sharia or nothing
     
  17. Pup Driver

    Pup Driver Well-Known Member

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    Flash ,tell me this why is Costco doing so good against Sams club and other low paying competitors why do people go to Star Bucks and buy $7 dollar cups of coffee when McDonald's has coffee so cheap .Why isn't Costco and Star Bucks out of business? Could it be that they know that if they pay the employees a little better it will stimulate the economy?
     
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    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Northern Flash isn't very knowledgeable about what makes a consumer based economy work....Plus he's afraid he'll have to pay more for his happy meals......... Don't push him to hard with those tough questions.... He'll get upset then give you his favorite smiley....the one with the "bird"...lol
     
  19. Big Dave

    Big Dave Dispatcher for Team BRG-Wong

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    $1.50 hot dog and Coke at both.........wait..if minimum wage goes up, $3 hot dog and cokes????!!!
     
  20. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    The minimum wage concept was designed for entry level positions, not career opportunities, you are not supposed to try and raise a family on minimum wage.
    The real issue at least in my area is everyone is hiring from all the fast food joints to all the grocery and other stores. They cannot find labor. Most are paying north of $8 an hour (higher than minimum wage). Why are these jobs going unfulfilled? Theories abound.
    (and no none of these positions warrant $15 an hour)
     

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