I agree with you and the trucks pouring over the border are making .15 cpm we can't compete with that. It's time for me to get out of freight.
Any know about trucking in the oil field??
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I agree with you and the trucks pouring over the border are making .15 cpm we can't compete with that. It's time for me to get out of freight.
Any know about trucking in the oil field??
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I said good capitalism. For an economic system to be good it has to be able to sustain itself. If the driving force of the economy(consumption) is slowed down, the system as a whole suffers. I think we all agree that stagnating wages abates consumption.
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Capitalism is working just fine.
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is it? i thought we were having problems with unemployment? I thought we bailed out the banks to trillions of dollars? I thought companies in general were making record profits while workers wages stagnated? True cap is a meritocrasy where risk and hard work are rewarded parallel to its contribution to society. When huge financial institutions and corporations have NO risk and are richly rewarded for failing, I would say we have strayed from true capitalism. I would try to explain, but it seems you are having a difficult time understanding even the simplest of my posts.
No, Capitalism is about ups and downs, achieving sucess and experiencing failures.
Capitalism hasnt failed because some have failed.
All the problems you listed, you should blame on government manipulation of the markets, not capitalism.
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govt manipulation is a stretch, intervention i would concede. gov't intervention on behalf of corps and banks is in of itself contrary to true capitalism. So I guess we are in agreement on that? Once again maybe I am not expressing myself well, but never said capitalism failed I said that it is unsustainable and had problems.. Let me put it the best I can. If I can no longer purchase things or if labor as a whole has reduced buying power, the corps will suffer. When failure is removed from the equation either through govt subsidies/bailouts or by barring labor from collective bargaining. It is no longer true capitalism.
The Clinton administration manipulated the home loan industry which caused this whole mess. But not on behalf of the banks and corps, but on behalf of self interest.
So your saying capitalism hasn't failed, but in the process of failing?
So your basically endorsing socialism?
Like I said, capitalism is fine, and isn't the problem. In fact the major problem is government isn't allowing capitalism to work.
So what's the answer? I agree, stop all bailouts, let the market bottom out.
Subsidies? If your talking about all the money going to failed green energy companies, I'm cool with that.
But if your talking about tax breaks for business, I'm not ok with that. Because for one av tax break isn't a subsidy. And raising any tax on business is really a tax on the consumer.
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LMAO yes because I am against croney capitalism I am a socialist , you cant debate the statements I put forward so you change them so you can. Compare green subs to oil or big pharm or ag or finance cmon dude lol. you cant have capitalism when you win and socialism when you lose
Your words not mine. You said capitalism isn't sustainable. So, the opposite of capitalism is what? Yes, socialism.
What are talking about when you said " Compare green subs to oil or big pharm or ag or finance cmon dude lol. you cant have capitalism when you win and socialism when you lose"?
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last time. I said what we have now is not true capitalism. And ...now follow me here, that this system isnt sustainable. And for the record it is not an either or equation, you can have tenets of socialism(which we have) and tenets of capitalism(which we have) together.. My statement that you cant etc........... means you cant reap the rewards of capitalism when you win and expect to be bailed out when you lose. I have seen your posts before and i dont know if you are being deliberately obtuse or if you really are not understanding. Enjoyed the conversation thank you
Actually the home loan manipulation was started under Carter. The Clinton administration put it on steroids and enforced by Janet Reno on a pay to play basis you either play our game or your gonna pay. Every body wants a home right well a lot of people can't afford one or have to much debt . The banks were forced under threat of the FBI to give loans to people who weren't qualified.
The banks knew this was toxic and wanted to get rid of the toxic loans so someone got the idea to pool them and sell them to get them off there books. That's how this all got started. There isn't capitalism left here now. The bail outs aren't capitalism neither was what caused the banks to go under capitalism.
Dude the system is hopelessly broken the big crash is coming when the dollar is no longer the world reserve currency. China Russia brazil India South Africa have teamed up they want off the dollar. We will be a third world country when it's done I'm talking tar paper shacks and bread lines an canabolisem . What bernankie is doing has been done twice before the weimar republic and Zimbabwe it has never worked. The money you have in the bank is being devalued every day.
Inflation is coming its just a mater of time
Can't disagree with this post at all.
Really? What was the 40 million write off For good faith about during the beg back? Figures lie liars figure. If they want to give me a couple of million in good faith and then write it off in good faith Ill leave as soon as the check clears. Otherwise Im holding my ground. They paint a picture and you stand in amazement. Believe me they let you see what they want you to see.No its not lying its all real. How many one time expenditures have they made since the beg back? How much freight have they not picked up at the end of the line because of layoffs and not calling in casuals? By the way ENRON is not even remotely close to what is going on here.They raided a company managed 401K to prop up the company bottom line and feign profitability when the company was failing. Until it all collapsed
Conspiracies! LOL! Thats how conspiracies work, make a claim, offer no evidence, and then ask questions, basically saying "I'm making a claim ABF has lied, I have no evidence to back it up, but you have to prove me wrong.? Sorry chief, thats not how it works, You make the claim, the burden of proof is on you. Look if you know for a fact that ABF is lying and committing a federal crime, you shouldn't on TB, you should calling the Feds!
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Another 30-Day Extension for ABF Contract; Teamsters
Committee Disappointed With Company’s Proposals
The Teamsters National ABF Negotiating
Committee met with ABF this week in Dallas, and
the committee is disappointed with the company’s
initial economic proposals.
The company’s economic proposal seeks significant
reductions in health and welfare and pension
benefits as well as deep wage cuts. For example, the
company closed the week seeking an across-theboard
6.5 percent wage reduction as well as reductions
in both the scope and level of health and welfare
coverage available to employees.
In terms of health care, the company is seeking: 1)
the elimination of coverage for employees working
fewer than 130 hours in a month; 2) employee copays
including a $240 per month employee contribution
for family coverage; 3) significant increases
in out-of-pocket employee costs; and 4) overall
reduced benefits.
Likewise, the company’s pension proposal reduces
and caps the amount of contributions it would
make to most pension funds.
“While we’ve made progress on major local and
over-the-road work rule issues over the last few
months, the company’s new proposals this week
are very disappointing and place our progress at
risk,” said Gordon Sweeton, Teamsters ABF
National Negotiating Committee Co-Chairman.
“We’ve put millions of dollars worth of operational
relief on the table but that apparently is
not enough.”
Teamsters National Freight Division Director
Tyson Johnson echoed Sweeton’s concerns.
“The company’s new economic proposals are certainly
frustrating,” Johnson said. “Perhaps most
disturbing is the company’s meat axe approach to
benefits. It certainly raises a question about how
the company values its employees.”
The union will be distributing additional information
to involved local unions over the next few
days and will schedule a conference call in the
near future.
Despite the company’s approach, the union continues
to be willing to explore creative ideas that
will provide protections to the members, maintain
standards and at the same time allow the company
to be competitive. Because so many items remain
open and the company’s recent proposals complicate
matters, the union has agreed to extend the
current agreement with ABF another 30 days
through May 31, 2013.
Committee Disappointed With Company’s Proposals
The Teamsters National ABF Negotiating
Committee met with ABF this week in Dallas, and
the committee is disappointed with the company’s
initial economic proposals.
The company’s economic proposal seeks significant
reductions in health and welfare and pension
benefits as well as deep wage cuts. For example, the
company closed the week seeking an across-theboard
6.5 percent wage reduction as well as reductions
in both the scope and level of health and welfare
coverage available to employees.
In terms of health care, the company is seeking: 1)
the elimination of coverage for employees working
fewer than 130 hours in a month; 2) employee copays
including a $240 per month employee contribution
for family coverage; 3) significant increases
in out-of-pocket employee costs; and 4) overall
reduced benefits.
Likewise, the company’s pension proposal reduces
and caps the amount of contributions it would
make to most pension funds.
“While we’ve made progress on major local and
over-the-road work rule issues over the last few
months, the company’s new proposals this week
are very disappointing and place our progress at
risk,” said Gordon Sweeton, Teamsters ABF
National Negotiating Committee Co-Chairman.
“We’ve put millions of dollars worth of operational
relief on the table but that apparently is
not enough.”
Teamsters National Freight Division Director
Tyson Johnson echoed Sweeton’s concerns.
“The company’s new economic proposals are certainly
frustrating,” Johnson said. “Perhaps most
disturbing is the company’s meat axe approach to
benefits. It certainly raises a question about how
the company values its employees.”
The union will be distributing additional information
to involved local unions over the next few
days and will schedule a conference call in the
near future.
Despite the company’s approach, the union continues
to be willing to explore creative ideas that
will provide protections to the members, maintain
standards and at the same time allow the company
to be competitive. Because so many items remain
open and the company’s recent proposals complicate
matters, the union has agreed to extend the
current agreement with ABF another 30 days
through May 31, 2013.
Can you feel the love,,,,
I'm fine with either or, but not both. Don't take 6.5% in wages and make us pay $240 in premiums and pension contributions.