Just in case this thread is really about forced retirement instead of retirement amounts.......I agree that many guys hang on too long but I'm against anything forcing them out. It's up to them to decide. It's a shame that many seem to have no life outside of this but I'll never say that they should be forced out. Most would want them forced out only to better their own position and that's not very good Union thinking, in my opinion. That's ME, ME, ME thinking.