Wrong. Not in my case. They were well planned out. That's a heck of a way to look at things. Have low expectations, and guess what you'll get? That's correct, more Magoos. Listen to yourself. Captain of the blame game. Bad upbringing is more important than bad genes. I know of parents that are complete losers, but still raised some good kids. And I know of some upper class folks that raise some real POSs for kids. It's all about the upbringing. In most cases, you get out of parenting exactly what you put into parenting.