ABF | ABF-Teamsters Contract Negotiations Update 4-19-13

Sure, I'm worried about myself TOO. Don't say you're not either. We all lookout for ourselves as well as our brothers.
I use the "selfish greedy" labels just to make a point of hypocrisy I see from you and others calling ABF selfish and greedy. When ABF is doing different then you.

But you're wrong, I'm not only thinking of myself. And you nothing to base that claim on.
Think about the stupidity of that statement. If I were truly being selfish, then I wouldn't be willing to give up money. You think I want to make less? Try again.

Nothing stupid about my statement. I also am looking out for my future, but my way is also supporting others who have a interest in a good paying job. Again ask other 10% if how they feel about giving up wages, health benefits, and pensions when they only work 2 or 3 days a week. I am fighting for them, and every other teamster to........
 
It's going to be a simple yes or no vote when you get the ballot.Please read that proposal again. Do you think they will go out of their way to make sure that the people on the extra board will work less than 130hours a month ? They will make sure of it !!!!
Thats exactly what I was trying to tell him...... But as long as he is in a comfortable spot f@ck everyone else....
 
If they have the freight and work, then they have no choice. You're saying they would be willing to cut freight and their own throat to not work drivers 130hrs, when they actually make more money by getting the freight and paying the health&welfare benifits.

The best you can up with is another conspiracy?
How about subcontract freight.....designate it as "expedited" and give it to Panther, so they can cut the board and not pay benefits? By the way, other guy's opinions are not "conspiracies". Just so you know.......
 
Golly gee! You have a crystal ball that can see the future! Why aren't you playing the lotto! ?
Common sense means I don't need a crystal ball, young man. I'm just using empirical evidence I've gathered in 37 years of observance. What evidence do you have to convince me that the company is going broke.....other than the companies' word? And please don't show me stock reports....been there, done that, with other companies that've pleaded poverty to sucker their employees....any reasonably competent accountant could show you any result you pay him to find.
 
I think what a lot of people don't realize is that on Jan. 1, 2014,..the party's over for the insurance companies,...and they're doing the worst they can do, now , to grab as much as they can, and, in the process, convince the people they're inflicting pain on, through higher premiums and increased costs...things they won't be able to do after Jan. 1 , 2014....that they should call their Congressman and repeal "Obamacare". That way insurance companies can go back to the way they've been doing business for the last 20 years, ...ripping off people, doctors, denying coverage, overcharging,......paying their CEO's ungodly amounts of money to live like princelings instead of using that money to increase the quality of healthcare. Yes....we should repeal "Obamacare", and go back to the way it was. Ask your insurance man, he'll tell you.......he probably has a petition right there on his desk......

There's my favorite Marxist. And excuses for the Obamacare failure continue ti get lamer and weaker.
No Now ever said go back to business as usual. There was an alternative plan proposed. It included more free market competition. Not less, more expensive care with higher taxes, increased job killing regulations, and freedom restricting, constitutional violating laws. Oh ya, and death panels.
 
Nothing stupid about my statement. I also am looking out for my future, but my way is also supporting others who have a interest in a good paying job. Again ask other 10% if how they feel about giving up wages, health benefits, and pensions when they only work 2 or 3 days a week. I am fighting for them, and every other teamster to........

Sure, I can ask the 10%ers that, but it doesn't matter. Ask me about the prospect of giving up some wages, and I'll give you the same answer, "I don't like it". But if that's what needs to be done to save this company from laying off possibly hundreds to thousands of Teamsters, then so be it.
 
Thats exactly what I was trying to tell him...... But as long as he is in a comfortable spot f@ck everyone else....

Again, putting words in my mouth. How many times have I said I'm thinking of everyone. Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I don't care bout others.

This is the biggest pet peeve I've had with the Teamsters. If you don't walk lock step in line, and buy into the typical line, then you're an anti-labor, knee pad wearing, company butt kissing Measter. No wonder union's have such a negative image.
 
How about subcontract freight.....designate it as "expedited" and give it to Panther, so they can cut the board and not pay benefits? By the way, other guy's opinions are not "conspiracies". Just so you know.......

Its a conspiracy when they make a claim with no evidence and tell others to prove them wrong. Sorry, you make the claim, tge burden of proof is on them.

What's stopping ABF from doing that now?
 
Dear Mr Stoney
How many other Teamster freight companies have you worked at?
And how long have you worked at ABF?
Have you ever been out of work? Spent months (or years) on lay off?
Well I have and I am not afraid to start over again for a fourth time.
F@#% this place I will vote NO for any proposal that includes wage concessions as that money will just go in someone else's pocket.
There is more in life than working in ABF.

Anyway I hope you all have a nice weekend even you too Stoney.
I understand that we all have disagreements and our own opinions but is that not what makes
America great?
 
Common sense means I don't need a crystal ball, young man. I'm just using empirical evidence I've gathered in 37 years of observance. What evidence do you have to convince me that the company is going broke.....other than the companies' word? And please don't show me stock reports....been there, done that, with other companies that've pleaded poverty to sucker their employees....any reasonably competent accountant could show you any result you pay him to find.

230 million loss, hello! Yes stock reports. Thats my evidence. Your the one making the claim that ABF is lying and committing a federal crime (Enron style) with no evidence.

Sorry, your 37 year means jack to me. If in 37 years you still haven't figured that universal healthcare is a socialist program, then how do you have in credibility on this?
 
Sure, I can ask the 10%ers that, but it doesn't matter. Ask me about the prospect of giving up some wages, and I'll give you the same answer, "I don't like it". But if that's what needs to be done to save this company from laying off possibly hundreds to thousands of Teamsters, then so be it.

Are you telling me that 10%ers don't matter, that's funny I think it is very important to this contract, and to the company. You are here to try to convince to how much the company needs our help, but what happens after we give concessions? I'll tell you they are going to get raises, incentives, stock or other pay is some form. Do you think you are going to be respected more? I don't think so. Do you think the non union companies are not going to start making their employees take more cuts and concessions, and when that happens, ABF is going to be back asking for more, and when is it going to stop. and again you sound like you are going to save the company, and every single teamster job out there. I don't think you can do that. Just my opinion.........
 
Dear Mr Stoney
How many other Teamster freight companies have you worked at?
And how long have you worked at ABF?
Have you ever been out of work? Spent months (or years) on lay off?
Well I have and I am not afraid to start over again for a fourth time.
F@#% this place I will vote NO for any proposal that includes wage concessions as that money will just go in someone else's pocket.
There is more in life than working in ABF.

Anyway I hope you all have a nice weekend even you too Stoney.
I understand that we all have disagreements and our own opinions but is that not what makes
America great?

I'm a 3rd gen Teamster, my grandfather retired from Yellow in 81. My dad retired after 33 years with the Teamsters( 28 years with Roadway). I've been a Teamster since 02. From 02-05 with Roadway, and 05 to present with ABF.
I experienced the 94 strike with my father.

Yes I've been unemployed and laidoff before.
I'm not afraid of starting over either, but why when we can save this place and thousands of Teamster jobs?

And thank you, for admitting you would rather see 7500 Teamsters unemployed ,making 0%, than making possibly 6.5% less.
 
230 million loss, hello! Yes stock reports. Thats my evidence. Your the one making the claim that ABF is lying and committing a federal crime (Enron style) with no evidence.

Sorry, your 37 year means jack to me. If in 37 years you still haven't figured that universal healthcare is a socialist program, then how do you have in credibility on this?

I never saw where he said the company lied, or is that something you just made up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I'm a 3rd gen Teamster, my grandfather retired from Yellow in 81. My dad retired after 33 years with the Teamsters( 28 years with Roadway). I've been a Teamster since 02. From 02-05 with Roadway, and 05 to present with ABF.
I experienced the 94 strike with my father.

Yes I've been unemployed and laidoff before.
I'm not afraid of starting over either, but why when we can save this place and thousands of Teamster jobs?

And thank you, for admitting you would rather see 7500 Teamsters unemployed ,making 0%, than making possibly 6.5% less.

Again I never seen where he said that. Again you are making things up. seems you like to do that. WOW I am impressed you have been a teamster for a whole 11 years, I am impressed NOT
 
Are you telling me that 10%ers don't matter, that's funny I think it is very important to this contract, and to the company. You are here to try to convince to how much the company needs our help, but what happens after we give concessions? I'll tell you they are going to get raises, incentives, stock or other pay is some form. Do you think you are going to be respected more? I don't think so. Do you think the non union companies are not going to start making their employees take more cuts and concessions, and when that happens, ABF is going to be back asking for more, and when is it going to stop. and again you sound like you are going to save the company, and every single teamster job out there. I don't think you can do that. Just my opinion.........

No, of course they matter. Just that it doesn't matter what we ask them. Like I said, no one wants a concession of any sort. It's just that wm sometimes we need to make tough choices now, to help us in the long run.

Unlike you and Canary, I don't have that Crystal Ball. I can only hope a concession of some sort helps ABF and the Teamsters in the future.
But I do know we can't keep going down the same road we are on now. Something needs to change and hope it helps.
 
Again I never seen where he said that. Again you are making things up. seems you like to do that. WOW I am impressed you have been a teamster for a whole 11 years, I am impressed NOT

Again, he's absolutely implying it.
And I don t care if your impressed or not. The man asked questions, and I answered them.
 
230 million loss, hello! Yes stock reports. Thats my evidence. Your the one making the claim that ABF is lying and committing a federal crime (Enron style) with no evidence.

Sorry, your 37 year means jack to me. If in 37 years you still haven't figured that universal healthcare is a socialist program, then how do you have in credibility on this?

Must be off your meds lately, noticeably crankier. Sometimes as the weight of the truth starts adding-up it gets to be too much to bear. Maybe a shopping spree at the company store can soothe your sore spirit
 
Again, he's absolutely implying it.
And I don t care if your impressed or not. The man asked questions, and I answered them.

You made a statement and I answered, and it don't matter if he implied it or not he did not say it. YOU DID
 
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