ABF | ABF / Teamsters Future
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You watch them bleed Yellow and Roadway. Skim every dime they can and run them into the ground.
I believe this whole move is to break the union. If they could of they would of brought ABF into the mix to.
Don't miss understand this post I'm not happy or want to see it happen. But I believe it is going to.
Again lets just see what they have in store for UPSF. Time will tell!!!
I've got to disagree with you DCM_Doc. I really don't remember the Churchill situation so I won't comment on it.
I'm almost positive that NW actually expanded to cover the entire country after 94 and CF was around till 02. The effects of a strike 8 years earlier didn't put CF out. Poor management did.
You watch them bleed Yellow and Roadway. Skim every dime they can and run them into the ground.
I believe this whole move is to break the union. If they could of they would of brought ABF into the mix to.
Don't miss understand this post I'm not happy or want to see it happen. But I believe it is going to.
Again lets just see what they have in store for UPSF. Time will tell!!!
CFer, What do you think about my post. Am I way off base or do you agree somewhat?
I'm not quite sure what you're point is Skeeter. Could you explain a little more please.
DCM Doc,
Churchill used the strike as an excuse to close...they weren't really a very competitive line at that point anymore. While the '94 strike didn't really accomplish much I don't see where it had anything to do with CF, N&W. Carolina was a merger/buyout thing. Don't get me wrong, I was never a Carey fan but I fail to see how the strike truly closed those you've mentioned. JMO.
the strike in 94 was to put to rest the part timer issue
carolina was marginally profitable at the time
and did not support the part timer concession
a strike would've damaged them beyond repair
preston was also very vulnerable but was owned by yellow corp at the time
they were included in the initial strike action to send a message to yellow
one point that everyone seems to forget
tmi was made up of yellow, roadway, cf, preston, carolina, apa and red star along with a host of smaller carriers
roadway had heavy non union capability
( roadway regional group and viking) as they probably thought they were ok
cf had the conway regional carriers, ccx, conway southern, conway western, conway northern which interlined freight with each other during the strike to achieve national coverage. what we see today as conway freight is the stringing together of these former regional carriers
yellow had limited non union capability with a few small regional carriers in their fold (like saia)
abf had no non union capability
carolina was smart not to get sucked into a strike like the others
cf benefited the most as conway was an adequate replacement for the striking carriers as their capacity was at like 150%. ccx sucked up both regional and long haul freight
once these carriers realized what was happining (especially yellow)
the bond that kept tmi together unraveled quickly
everyone started to withdraw
yeah we didn't get much in return but we definitely won that battle
what happened to cf was predestined as a result of the phenomenal growth conway experienced during this period. all this did was speed up the process
conway was growing exponentially without the strike and the strike brought them many new accounts much quicker at the expense of yellow, red star, apa and the others
roadway with some non union capability fared a little better but their non union subsidiaries were dogs and nothing like the ccx group
bottom line conclusion
greed fueled the demand for part timers as all of the participating carriers got sucked in and only cf was properly prepared to deal with the appropriate teamster strike response
hence the end result is the highly profitable conway we all know today
churchill wasn't a pimple on any of these carriers asses just a weak regional and vulnerable pawn thrown by the wayside
carolina was marginally profitable at the time
and did not support the part timer concession
a strike would've damaged them beyond repair
preston was also very vulnerable but was owned by yellow corp at the time
they were included in the initial strike action to send a message to yellow
one point that everyone seems to forget
tmi was made up of yellow, roadway, cf, preston, carolina, apa and red star along with a host of smaller carriers
roadway had heavy non union capability
( roadway regional group and viking) as they probably thought they were ok
cf had the conway regional carriers, ccx, conway southern, conway western, conway northern which interlined freight with each other during the strike to achieve national coverage. what we see today as conway freight is the stringing together of these former regional carriers
yellow had limited non union capability with a few small regional carriers in their fold (like saia)
abf had no non union capability
carolina was smart not to get sucked into a strike like the others
cf benefited the most as conway was an adequate replacement for the striking carriers as their capacity was at like 150%. ccx sucked up both regional and long haul freight
once these carriers realized what was happining (especially yellow)
the bond that kept tmi together unraveled quickly
everyone started to withdraw
yeah we didn't get much in return but we definitely won that battle
what happened to cf was predestined as a result of the phenomenal growth conway experienced during this period. all this did was speed up the process
conway was growing exponentially without the strike and the strike brought them many new accounts much quicker at the expense of yellow, red star, apa and the others
roadway with some non union capability fared a little better but their non union subsidiaries were dogs and nothing like the ccx group
bottom line conclusion
greed fueled the demand for part timers as all of the participating carriers got sucked in and only cf was properly prepared to deal with the appropriate teamster strike response
hence the end result is the highly profitable conway we all know today
churchill wasn't a pimple on any of these carriers asses just a weak regional and vulnerable pawn thrown by the wayside
94 Strike
CFer, stldude,big steve, I partially agree with all of you. I think that the worst thing that happened to union carriers from the 94 strike was the loss of customers that we never regained. Certainly ConWay, American Freightways,(now FedEx), Overnite etc. all gained from the strike.
CFer, stldude,big steve, I partially agree with all of you. I think that the worst thing that happened to union carriers from the 94 strike was the loss of customers that we never regained. Certainly ConWay, American Freightways,(now FedEx), Overnite etc. all gained from the strike.
DCM Doc, I honestly believe any loss of business from the 94 strike was temporary at best.
Shippers no longer have loyalty to their transportation companies. Whoever gives them the right service at the right price will get their business regardless of what happened in the past.
The strike may be on the minds of shippers as every contract nears an end but if you follow the industry at all you'll realize that both the union and the companies have started negotiations early, and reached agreements well before the contract expiration just for this reason.
i totally agree with you cfer as all one has to do is compare the 1995-6-7 tonnage with pre strike 1994 tonnage
the impact was short term as an overwhelming majority of customers came back along with a bunch of new ones
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I was wondering if anyone had heard anything about a change of operations for abf ...possibly opening terminals in Tenn?
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First let me say welcome to the boards. Good to have you with us. I hope you will tell others about us.
Now nothing would surprise me when it comes to ABF and what they might do. I have not heard of any but that means nothing.