I thought you started by quoting me. Then I addressed you in a response. But you haven't or won't use my quote. I will be your whipping post( or you mine). Fact is even if some of our pensions were cut we would make thousands of dollars a year more than your defined plan would pay you which is nothing. We have been paid time and a half for over thirty five years for which you weren't . We have had at least five weeks paid vacation time for at least thirty five years and you haven't. Why didn't you come on here all those years ago and talk about how much better we had it than you? Because you are a coward hiding behind a key board in your parents basement MAYBE? Now you want to talk about our wages and benefits. If you had it so good you would not be on this forum you would be on your own laughing and exchanging cooking recipes. Because you sound as though you have had your head in a oven far to long. Know your facts and then you would not look so STUPID! JUST SAYING! YOUR WELL TO DO BROTHER ALWAYS!