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Skeeter said:
We're on the same page hobo.:bgroovy:
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skeeter there is no room in freight for part timers which would provide for company abuse in the dock operation. check out the link for the ups agreement and go to the article covering wages and you will see what i mean

your argument for the $27 / hour rate is fine
i am a teamster for 26 years and would like nothing better than to get the same rate

what will probably happen is along the same lines as why you are getting what you currently get now......... as a direct result of all the non-unions basing their rates of pay on the union model
what this did, it effectively curtailed any successful attempt at unionization
the companies only wish to keep a majority of you guys happy

all the freight companies who now remain operating are making tremendous profits so why shouldn't we share in them and that goes for union / non-union alike:USA: :showoff: :paperbag1:
 
hardway said:
All I know is that in France, ALL CDL drivers are union and they went on strike twice and shut down everything, they got what they wanted for all, across the board!
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That is France for you. That just goes to show you France can't win a war. The French are also selling rifles. The rifles have only been fired once and dropped twice. LOL!
 
Skeeter said:
"...OK one more time and I hope you can comprehend what I am saying this time and be man enough to understand it.

We can be apart of UPS under a separate contract NOT parcel. Did you just read that. Not parcel. We can have language that has to do with freight operations.

But be tied together for both of our protection. You probably need to listen to some of your own UPS brothers.

I think you are the one that needs to get over it..."
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Look, you guys are going to get to negotiate your own contract, and it will be a Master UPS Freight Contract.

It will address your issues, and your needs, and be tailored to fit UPSF's operations.

I think the wages will end up being between NMFA and UPS wages, and who knows about what they will figure out about H&W and pension?

But one thing you all who are clamoring for being part of the UPS contract need to think about long and hard is that those 230,000 UPS Parcel Teamsters way, way outnumber you guys.

So what if the next contract, the parcel part of the contract is great, and the freight part is unacceptable? If both freight and parcel are tied together, it will go on the vote totals, and like I said... you all are way outnumbered.

Now, I would like to think there would be enough solidarity there for the parcel guys to vote down any contract that is unfair to freight, but that's mighty thin thread of hope to hang on in this day and age.

Human nature being what it is, and all.

You guys are much better off in your own contract, and then it's up to you UPSF guys to vote any contract up or down on it's own merits, and how it affects you guys in freight.

Think about it...
 
shifterknob said:
Look, you guys are going to get to negotiate your own contract, and it will be a Master UPS Freight Contract.

It will address your issues, and your needs, and be tailored to fit UPSF's operations.

I think the wages will end up being between NMFA and UPS wages, and who knows about what they will figure out about H&W and pension?

But one thing you all who are clamoring for being part of the UPS contract need to think about long and hard is that those 230,000 UPS Parcel Teamsters way, way outnumber you guys.

So what if the next contract, the parcel part of the contract is great, and the freight part is unacceptable? If both freight and parcel are tied together, it will go on the vote totals, and like I said... you all are way outnumbered.

Now, I would like to think there would be enough solidarity there for the parcel guys to vote down any contract that is unfair to freight, but that's mighty thin thread of hope to hang on in this day and age.

Human nature being what it is, and all.

You guys are much better off in your own contract, and then it's up to you UPSF guys to vote any contract up or down on it's own merits, and how it affects you guys in freight.

Think about it...
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I've tried to tell these guys the same thing only you worded it better.
Thanks Shifterknob
 
HEAVY-METAL said:
I just want everyone whose even thinking about signing a union card to think hard about one thing; "Why are the teamsters so hell-bent on us being union? And, why do teamster drivers at other companys give a Rat's *** if we're union or not?" Really. When you strip away all the talking points they give us and get right down to the brass tacks, what do THEY stand to gain. They're not doing it for nothing. They must need something WE have. Just a hint.....$$$$$$$ Yours and mine. It's that simple.
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Being Teamster,s give all the right to set the price if the majority of trucking companies is teamster's. Leverage for bargaining. As well as more security in the pention. It really is not a bad deal to be honest. Prior to decirtification, all trucking companies were paid the same price which made things esier for bargaining. In trucking profit is very fluid and not easy to come by if not properly managed.

My new jobclass is "Freight Redundancy Specialist".

This Person will have the ability
to tolerate mentally challenged dispatchers
who excell in the art of ignorance redundancy,
and can withstand driving 18 wheelers at
top end speeds in circles.
 
shifterknob said:
Look, you guys are going to get to negotiate your own contract, and it will be a Master UPS Freight Contract.

It will address your issues, and your needs, and be tailored to fit UPSF's operations.

I think the wages will end up being between NMFA and UPS wages, and who knows about what they will figure out about H&W and pension?

But one thing you all who are clamoring for being part of the UPS contract need to think about long and hard is that those 230,000 UPS Parcel Teamsters way, way outnumber you guys.

So what if the next contract, the parcel part of the contract is great, and the freight part is unacceptable? If both freight and parcel are tied together, it will go on the vote totals, and like I said... you all are way outnumbered.

Now, I would like to think there would be enough solidarity there for the parcel guys to vote down any contract that is unfair to freight, but that's mighty thin thread of hope to hang on in this day and age.

Human nature being what it is, and all.

You guys are much better off in your own contract, and then it's up to you UPSF guys to vote any contract up or down on it's own merits, and how it affects you guys in freight.

Think about it...
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You don't mean our teamster brothers would :Cow-Pie: on its fellow brothers do you. I thought all you teamster brothers stuck together.
 
Oh, c'mon, man...

The thing is about human nature, not about solidarity. I wish to hell we did have the solidarity we once had-- that all unions had-- but the truth is that in this country apathy and self-centeredness reign supreme, even amongst union workers.

Just not as bad as amongst the general populace.

My point is, why stick two groups of workers together in a contract who have different motivations, different needs and desires, and different contractual issues?

I think-- and this is based upon personal experience-- that you will regret being lumped in with the parcel guys. My opinion, nothing more...
 
bighammer said:
well we in indy will fight for all your rights and then yall can jump on the wagon hopefully its not goin to fast
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I was told that the TM told everyone if they wanted to sign cards go ahead. Is that true or just a bunch of bull.
 
No Bull.

Skeeter said:
I was told that the TM told everyone if they wanted to sign cards go ahead. Is that true or just a bunch of bull.
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The whole reason for the 2 letter's we had about a month ago , and 2 week's ago ,where "O" "was in agreement with the teamster's to have informational meeting's.With a checkcard process" From our new CEO.

The last letter was infact saying that "a checkcard process had started in Indionapolis, and worker's needed to do what is rite for them and their families"

That letter was in referrance to these meeting's at your local, but sighning the card mean's you want representation.

We had one info meeting at our local already and there is to be another soon.

My new jobclass is "Freight Redundancy Specialist".

This Person will have the ability
to tolerate mentally challenged dispatchers
who excell in the art of ignorance redundancy,
and can withstand driving 18 wheelers at
top end speeds in circles.
 
Don't think that you are telling the whole truth about what is going on. Look what just happenend in michigan cartage teamsters, its going to spread. Benefits went from 100% to 80%. Ups freight benefits went from 70% to 85% where i'm at in the country so whose got it bad. I think the union supporters need to tell the good and also the bad. At least we will know what we would be getting into which i have no intentions of signing any kind of card because i know it is all bogus!
 
Skeeter said:
I was told that the TM told everyone if they wanted to sign cards go ahead. Is that true or just a bunch of bull.
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I have asked you 2 times who told you this..Bill C read a letter
he told us our cards were at the arbitrator,,
thats were they are SUPPOSE to be..they are getting checked out by him so we can get
CERTIFIED,,:bananalama:
 
Accelerator said:
The whole reason for the 2 letter's we had about a month ago , and 2 week's ago ,where "O" "was in agreement with the teamster's to have informational meeting's.With a checkcard process" From our new CEO.

The last letter was infact saying that "a checkcard process had started in Indionapolis, and worker's needed to do what is rite for them and their families"

That letter was in referrance to these meeting's at your local, but sighning the card mean's you want representation.

We had one info meeting at our local already and there is to be another soon.

My new jobclass is "Freight Redundancy Specialist".

This Person will have the ability
to tolerate mentally challenged dispatchers
who excell in the art of ignorance redundancy,
and can withstand driving 18 wheelers at
top end speeds in circles.
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Well all I have to say is when you see what a really good contract we will get your are gonna be signing up ,,:bananalama:
 
Take this to Gordon and all the UPS managers: The hard-working drivers here at UPS Freight want: 1) Overtime after 8 2) No window on sick days 3) more personal days 4) more vacation time 5) a defined seniority roster and defined seniority rules 6) little or no-cost health insurace 7) a cleaner and safer work environment.

If all these demands can be met before I see a union card, maybe I'll think twice. But seeing as corporations love to play tricks, I doubt my mind will ever change!
 
UPGF4IBT said:
Take this to Gordon and all the UPS managers: The hard-working drivers here at UPS Freight want: 1) Overtime after 8 2) No window on sick days 3) more personal days 4) more vacation time 5) a defined seniority roster and defined seniority rules 6) little or no-cost health insurace 7) a cleaner and safer work environment.

If all these demands can be met before I see a union card, maybe I'll think twice. But seeing as corporations love to play tricks, I doubt my mind will ever change!
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As I said from the very beginning, Why should Ups spend more money on the "O" employees. They don't have to. The "O" employee union talk scare tactics won't work with Ups. They are used to working with the teamsters. Ups is also in a win win situation. Save millions not paying "O' employees what they deserve. Hey, we are used to it. Its been this way for ever at "O" Or work with a contract which Ups has been used to for ever. So for any of you that are still waiting for Ups to just hand over a silver platter to keep the union out. (fix all the issues) FORGET ABOUT IT!!!!!
 
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