Bernie Nailed It!!

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  1. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    would Trump get rolled
    I doubt it, however there would be a lot more give and take than people are willing to admit
    the man negotiates he will have to do so to get anything done, some will be good, some people will dislike
    I highly doubt the career RINO will finally find his "conservatism" just because Trump is elected
     
  2. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    I'm curious to see what the Black vote ends up being this go-around. We're going to find out if the inner city Blacks enjoy the lifestyle that the Democrat party has bestowed upon them, or if they're tired of being held down by the Democrat Party.
     
  3. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    J o b s. Trump can do that.
     
  4. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    Yep.....the "great" FDR......the one that started us on this downhill path we have been coasting down for the last 80 years. Certainly a smart one though, expanding the scotus right after this to ensure it set a strong precedent for all the future violations of the constitution that followed in the name of expanding federal govt control....
     
  5. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Started minimum wage, made it possible for employees to organise Labor Unions. Social Security and don't forget until the 1980's we ( working class) were doing pretty darn good.
     
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  6. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    Yep......started all the shortsighted policies that trampled the constitution, setting terrible precedents for fiscal irresponsibility.

    I can live real high on the hog too, running up the ole credit cards, until the bills come due.....which is where we have been since about the 80's
     
  7. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Lots of people need help sometime in their life, lucky that you never needed any.
     
  8. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    Typical nose in the air answer.....you show a lot of tamarity assuming that I have never needed help. People should be helped, but I don't believe the federal government should be in charge of it. Who is going to help the poor more efficiently and effectively, a stuffed shirt in Washington or someone in their own state, which is a whole lot more in line to what the constitution lays out?
     
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  9. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    The Wagner Act only allowed Private Unions. FDR was against Public Unions, which hurt people in fixed incomes due to high taxes that pay the higher salaries. JFK did Exec Orders allowing Public Unions. Exec Orders can be reversed by the stroke of a pen if someone in power disagrees.
     
  10. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Nothing saying your State can't help you out, or the county you live in or the town or your church they can all help if they want to.
    But if they don't or can't come up with the funds or just don't care, what should happen then?
     
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  11. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    In the PBS show about the mines in West Virginia over and over the unions were crushed by the private police run by the mines themselves the county , state and Federal government. The State sent in the National Guard and State police to crush the unions and protect the mines, The the Feds came in with the Army and General Billie Mitchell's army air to bomb them. The bombing didn't happen. Until Roosevelt and The Wagner act there was no right to unionize and the government would side with the company's.

    Seemed like real progress to me
    http://inthesetimes.com/working/ent...on-labor-documentary-umw-west-virginia-strike

    PBS’s ‘The Mine Wars’ Shows West Virginia’s Militant, Radical Labor History
     
  12. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    Interesting question......what happens now when there aren't funds for a program?

    Are you implying that the federal government's coffers are limitless?

    The states would get the funds from the same place the feds do, but I believe they would operate in a much more efficient and effective manner due to less buracracy and overhead.
     
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  13. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    as long as the govt has the power to tax, their coffers are pretty limitless
    IMO, the govt we have now would rather support the Unconstitutional welfare state rather than the Constitutional military

    Mags, you mine show was from the 1920's the use of strike breakers was common especially in industries that were considered essential

    people only have so much "pie" when the govt takes more it leaves you less with less money to give to the charities of your choice
    there is a reason Barry limited tax deducabilty in his mind central govt is the end all be all but when a dollar leaves Louisville to go to DCgrad to then come back, Louisville is not getting a dollar
     
  14. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    You know they can spend trillions on Wars to nowhere, so what's a few billions to help the citizens?
    If the government won't help it's own then it's time to change the government.
    It's Bernie Time!

     
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  15. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    The show mentioned that the other states miners Pennsyvania, Indiana, and perhaps Kentucky had worker representain and on average paid miners 15% more. West Virginia locked out Unionization with terror tactics by the private police forces each mine employed.


    Your State Kentucky is number 48 in taking the most Federal dollars. For every dollar Lexington sends to Washington they get back $2.18 and get 35% of the funds to run State Government from the feds. Without the Feds contribution your State Taxes would go up considerably.

    Check out how your State ranks here:
    https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/#main-findings
     
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  16. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    You don't seem to be picking up what I am putting down.......

    I am ok with spending to help out the less fortunate. Just not ok with it being done at the federal level, as the tenth amendment calls for......I believe that due to proximity the local/state governments will actually provide a better product to these folks at the same cost (possibly less). It will also enable the programs to be tailored to specific needs. If California wants to require 75 year old women get birth control, that is their VOTERS prerogative, but other states may need something different in their programs. What I am describing would actually be a government for the people, BY THE PEOPLE, ever heard that phrase before?

    The military is actually one of the FEW things designated for federal control, not that I always agree with their approach, at least their spending there is within the framework of the constitution.....
     
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  17. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    All the states handle Food Stamps and medicaid differently while in some states a man may qualify for help with medical costs other states say no.
    Some states could give you a pittance for food but nothing for a bar of soap or laundry detergent and toilet paper.
    And some of the money the states give out come from the Feds.
    I don't think it should be up to a States legislature who gets to eat and who doesn't, they may wish to spend the funds on something else.
    Or lower taxes so there is no funds available.
     
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  18. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    It should be up to the PEOPLE, isn't that stated somewhere? Personally, I don't think they are served all that well by what a buracrat thinks they need...
     
  19. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    He can rob your retirement plan like they did to the workers at that Trump Casino in Atlantic city
     
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  20. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    Propose an Amendment. Change the Constitution. Right now, Activist Justices do that (UnConstitutionally, IMO). Remember- right now it's for Libs advantage. Could always turn against you, too...
     
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