Bernie nails it again.

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  1. Elwood

    Elwood Question Authority

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  2. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    Bernies message:

    meanwhile its
    working class (or everyone) against Wall Street
    Everyone against the banks
    Everyone against multinational corporations
    the poor against the rich
    the halves against the have nots
    you not being able to pay forcing those with a little more to pay

    where is the great Dem messages like
    "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"
    or
    "the only thing we have to fear, is fear itself"

    Divide and conquer that is the dems message, pit this group against that group
     
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  3. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    They already did the divide and conquer and we lost.
    Could be time to stand up for working people and take a little back.
    Or you can hope your kids graduated college and actually find a job that pays enough to get them out of debt early enough to buy a home and raise a family.
     
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  4. SuperCourse

    SuperCourse WHO IS JOHN GALT?

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    Go Bernie Go
     
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  5. Keepingon

    Keepingon Well-Known Member

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    I still say go back to apprenticeships
    No colledge,no debt you work under someone who actually knows what they are doing, learn and get a small salary while you learn. AND you get a job!
     
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  6. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Yes for a job in the trades that's still an excellent way
     
  7. SuperCourse

    SuperCourse WHO IS JOHN GALT?

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    Millenials are too wonderful for the trades, their teachers told them so.
     
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  8. Rastus

    Rastus ......Deplorable.....

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    Besides, a lot of trades and truck driver types seem very micro aggressive.
     
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  9. SuperCourse

    SuperCourse WHO IS JOHN GALT?

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    Micro aggressive, what's next nano aggressive?
     
  10. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Especially since several of the required classes have no connection to the student's major.
     
  11. Woody

    Woody Sons of Trump

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    Besides...... they can't handle there smoke on lunch brEak.
     
  12. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    my kids are smart enough to realize that a degree in business or engineering or medicine will pay the bills
    a degree in 17th century French Poetry will not
     
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  13. Elwood

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    No degree 'pays the bills.'
    Hard work and intestinal fortitude do!

    A degree in 17th century poetry may not pay the bills, but it may provide the opportunity to recognize true art!

    http://www.poetseers.org/poets/17th-century-poets/

    Struggling artists provide every bit as much to society as struggling engineers!
     
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  14. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    With an engineering degree, you are prepared (ideally) to work as an engineer
    With a 17th Century French Poetry degree, you are prepared to work as a 17th Century French Poetry teacher or in a museum
    not a lot of jobs there
    of course you could always recite poetry at the coffee house
     
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  15. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Good grief Elwood. Are you kidding?

    You can work as hard as you want and have as much intestinal fortitude as you want with your poetry degree and you'll still struggle to find work and make a living.

    Engineering jobs are available all of the time, poetry.......not.
     
  16. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    I've seen times a engineer couldn't find a job, they were taking jobs at Sears Roebuck shoe department.
    You never can tell what tomorrow brings.
    If they're lucky they can move back in with their parents,
    you.
     
  17. Elwood

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    I can only go by personal experience and those of family members. Two have no college degrees and are successful in their respective fields.
    One writes code for a credit card processing company and the other runs a graphic design and printing business. Both make six figures. The graphic designer took art history and literature which provided a foundation for her successful business. Another majored in English minored in French and History. Taught AP History, AP English and AP French, along with AP Political Science. One majored in Math and minored in French. Taught H/S Math a few years, but raised her family owning a locksmith business.

    My point is that without a degree, but with hard work, one can be successful. With a degree, or for that matter, multiple degrees, without hard work and fortitude, there is no guaranteed success.

    The concept of attending university as an educational experience to broaden one's horizons is a thing of the past because of the enormous associated cost. It is a sad state that presently, the perceived purpose of higher education is to ensure gainful employment; which is not guaranteed after assuming staggering debt. The college experience should be one of a better understanding of the world, the economy, social structure and culture.

    Presently 18 year olds are being forced to choose their life careers with no guarantees. Most are unprepared to make such a decision, but are still forced to complete their programs and then face the world with little or no 'work' experience.
     
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  18. a9faninnc

    a9faninnc Super Moderator Staff Member

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    When a politician describes "free",it translates to working taxpayer funded..
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  19. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    the person that slept through high school under the watch of their parents is not going to get their crap together in college when they are on their own
    If you want free college, then lets just extend high school to grade 16

    When you remove peoples motivation or let them have "no skin in the game" they tend to not give a crap
    look at rental homes or even worse section 8 housing vs a house you own
    look at how people drive rental cars vs their cars
     
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  20. Northern Flash

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    Exactly. When you don't have anything invested, you don't have anything to lose. And that typically results in failure since you are out nothing.
     

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