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Bernie Sanders fix good for everyone??

ABFer said:
Everything I saw was relevant to the opening post as well.
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Crystal said if it doesn't pass, we can blame repubs.

Makes no sense. Blame us for being in this mess, first, then blame bernie for bad ideas. How can raising taxes on high priced art be related to fixing a pension fund? Those sellers never did anything at all with our pension. And I guarantee they haven't profited from our broken fund.

If they think taxes would fund us to full scale- fund us to full, and tax each recipient $200 a month from his monthly payout to go to keeping the fund alive. Better than cut in half. But not enough to save it, and it wouldn't pass congress anyway. Bernie's Bill is nothing more than campaign fodder for votes. It has zero chance in congress, or the public, outside of teamsters..... Most of the general public is ill informed, and thinks we're overpaid- that we're getting what we deserve...
 
jimmy g said:
Crystal said if it doesn't pass, we can blame repubs.

Makes no sense. Blame us for being in this mess, first, then blame bernie for bad ideas. How can raising taxes on high priced art be related to fixing a pension fund? Those sellers never did anything at all with our pension. And I guarantee they haven't profited from our broken fund.

If they think taxes would fund us to full scale- fund us to full, and tax each recipient $200 a month from his monthly payout to go to keeping the fund alive. Better than cut in half. But not enough to save it, and it wouldn't pass congress anyway. Bernie's Bill is nothing more than campaign fodder for votes. It has zero chance in congress, or the public, outside of teamsters..... Most of the general public is ill informed, and thinks we're overpaid- that we're getting what we deserve...
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Crystal said if it doesn't pass, we can blame repubs.
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jimmy g, yes I believe that's true. To have 40 years of ERISA pension protection backdoored by Kline-Miller is just plain wrong. To quote republican Rob Bishop who stated for the record when Kline-Miller was being slipped through Congress "this is either the best damn amendment ever written or the biggest mistake we have ever done" If you'll remember the House Rules Committee and the full Congress didn't even have time to read the bill before the vote was taken.

Now with KOPPA we have a chance to right that wrong and move HR-2844 out of committee so the full House of Representatives can debate and vote on it. The committee democrats are in favor but so far the republicans are not. I'd call that partisan politics.

This bill repeals the elimination of the pension anti-cutback provisions under the Multiemployer Pension Reform Act of 2014. The anti-cutback provisions prohibit reductions in pension benefits to participants in multiemployer pension plans.

The bill amends the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA) to allow a plan sponsor of an eligible multiemployer plan to petition the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation for a partition of a financially-troubled pension plan. PBGC is required to establish a legacy fund to cover the administrative and benefit costs resulting from a partition..

The bill amends the federal bankruptcy code to assign first claim priority to pension obligations under ERISA.

The bill amends the Internal Revenue Code to: (1) impose a limit of $1 million on the exemption of the gain from the exchange of real property in a like kind exchange, (2) prohibit the use of like kind exchanges for collectibles, (3) establish estate valuation rules for certain transfers of nonbusiness assets, and (4) limit estate tax discounts for certain individuals with minority interests in a business acquired from a decedent.
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https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/1631
 
Crystal said:
Now with KOPPA we have a chance to right that wrong and move HR-2844 out of committee so the full House of Representatives can debate and vote on it. The committee democrats are in favor but so far the republicans are not. I'd call that partisan politics.



https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/1631
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I call it partison, Prez campaigning to gain voters.

Please explain why anyone outside of your scope should agree that people who never had anything to do with unions, labor, or Pensions should be taxed more to bail out OUR pension?
 
jimmy g said:
I call it partison, Prez campaigning to gain voters.

Please explain why anyone outside of your scope should agree that people who never had anything to do with unions, labor, or Pensions should be taxed more to bail out OUR pension?
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Who are the people who would be unfairly taxed? Using your logic then why should I be taxed to support things outside of my scope like Halliburton or Palestine or illegal immigrants? I assume you consider closing tax loopholes to fund the PBGC as being unfair.
 
Crystal said:
Who are the people who would be unfairly taxed? Using your logic then why should I be taxed to support things outside of my scope like Halliburton or Palestine or illegal immigrants? I assume you consider closing tax loopholes to fund the PBGC as being unfair.
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Good point !

We have to also remember Central States is required by law to buy PBGC insurance to the tune of $10+ million per year now and in the future but yet PBGC says they cannot cover the fund when they fail.

How can they have it both ways ? Either fund PBGC or drop the requirement we purchase the insurance.
 
jimmy g, all 3 of my elected republican representatives has said that they were unhappy with the way Kline-Miller was passed. They didn't say they were against the Pension Reform Act of 2014 just the way it was done. Now Congress has an opportunity to correct that injustice to retirees by having open debates and a vote. I believe the House Finance Committee should put partisan politics aside and move KOPPA to the floor. Then we can at least have a fair vote even if the republicans vote it down. Again I will quote republican Congressman Rob Bishop on the way Kline-Miller was done. "It's either the best damn amendment ever written or the biggest mistake we ever done"
 
If they brought every bill presented up for vote, there would be nothing else done.

I didn't like Kline Miller. I had this on my fence for several months...
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If we want to embrace socialism, lets go all the way. Perhaps we should take whats left of our pension and divide it up among ourselves, Conway, FedEx. and Estes drivers? Look it up. According to the tenets of socialism some work hard and earn things then have it taken away to be distributed among those who have not earned it. How many of you wannabe socialists are willing to share your pension with those who have not earned it?
 
BModelMack said:
If we want to embrace socialism, lets go all the way. Perhaps we should take whats left of our pension and divide it up among ourselves, Conway, FedEx. and Estes drivers? Look it up. According to the tenets of socialism some work hard and earn things then have it taken away to be distributed among those who have not earned it. How many of you wannabe socialists are willing to share your pension with those who have not earned it?
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How do you figure KOPPA is embracing socialism? Do you think 40 years of ERISA pension protection was a socialist policy? KOPPA will bring that back. There are 38 members of Congress who have co-sponsored the bills. How many of them are socialists? Sanders may be a socialist but he's just the messenger.
 
BModelMack said:
Did Obama sign Kline-Miller into law?
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No he sign into law the Omnibus Funding Bill that Congress past. But you knew that the POTUS didn't have line item veto power. You also knew that Obama wouldn't shut down the government. Here is an interesting article on what the writer considers to be the 5 worst things that were snuck into the budget. Kline-Miller didn't make it into his top 5.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/omnibus-budget-deal-2014-5-worst-things_b_6307852.html
 
So if you don;t want to shut down the government the alternative is not to stand up for what u feel is right? Take money from the unions and say sorry boys, keep the money coming, but don't expect me to stand up for you? Funny, the Republicans are willing to shut down the government for their constituents, And after we send all our campaign money to the Democrats we now expect the Republicans to come to our defense? Let me know how that works out.
 
BModelMack said:
Funny, the Republicans are willing to shut down the government for their constituents, And after we send all our campaign money to the Democrats we now expect the Republicans to come to our defense? Let me know how that works out.
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Yes it is funny because I thought many Teamster retirees like myself were constituents of congressional republicans. Both my senators and congressman are all republicans and they claim to be looking out for my interests.
 
semicrazy said:
Bernie Sanders seems to be the only one who cares about our plight. We don't seem to be doing enough to get the message out about our pensions being cut. It seems that no one cares but us.
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Excellent point, Democrats (Obama) signed the 2014 MEPA that allowed cuts yet the teamsters supported Obama TWICE
Enjoy it..... you are getting your thank you.....
 
Puff Driver said:
Excellent point, Democrats (Obama) signed the 2014 MEPA that allowed cuts yet the teamsters supported Obama TWICE
Enjoy it..... you are getting your thank you.....
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What's with the you and your? Shouldn't it have been we and our? Isn't your pension going to be cut also? You know the one you claimed you had to sue TENJ in order to get.

Since there isn't a line item veto it was all or a government shutdown. You would really be screaming about that one wouldn't you? Obama shuts down the country to help union retirees. Go ahead and knock the union for supporting Obama the lesser of the 2 evils. Whatever he has done to or for labor is better than what we would have gotten from Romney.
 
Crystal said:
What's with the you and your? Shouldn't it have been we and our? Isn't your pension going to be cut also? You know the one you claimed you had to sue TENJ in order to get.

Since there isn't a line item veto it was all or a government shutdown. You would really be screaming about that one wouldn't you? Obama shuts down the country to help union retirees. Go ahead and knock the union for supporting Obama the lesser of the 2 evils. Whatever he has done to or for labor is better than what we would have gotten from Romney.
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So if what Obama has done is better for you take your pension cuts and be quiet and keep telling yourself this is the lesser of two evils lol
 
Crystal said:
Yes it is funny because I thought many Teamster retirees like myself were constituents of congressional republicans. Both my senators and congressman are all republicans and they claim to be looking out for my interests.
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Well since your union was actively trying to defeat your republican congressman and senators and Jimmy Hoffa stood onstage holding Obama's hand in a victory salute, do you think your republican congressman and senators are really going to go out of their way to protect Teamster pensions? Our Teamster pensions should be protected by the political party who receives all the Teamster campaign money. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
 
BModelMack said:
So if what Obama has done is better for you take your pension cuts and be quiet and keep telling yourself this is the lesser of two evils lol
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Yes I guess you're right. A 62% rather than a 65% cut is the lesser of the 2 evils. I'll shut up and let you and Puff blame the union while the republicans continue to destroy the middle class
 
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