Breaking: Steve Scalise, House Majority Whip, shot at GOP charity baseball practice in Virginia

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  1. SuperCourse

    SuperCourse WHO IS JOHN GALT?

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    Keep it simple, be happy. Cooked some steaks and smoked sausage today on my 70's vintage cast iron Hibachi. This things been on camping trips to Utah, Colorado, Canada, Alaska, Vermont, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Coastal Maine and it's never let me down. I don't need no stinkin stainless steel grill with side burners.

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  2. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Most politicians enrich themselves through the corrupted political system.... Democrats and Republicans alike..... Then there are those that are already rich that use their wealth to buy themselves a "job" in Politics so they can have more power over the system to further pass legislation that will benefit them and their class even more....

    Seeing the Ultra wealthy Corporations and individuals telling working middle class Americans that Millions and billions a year isn't enough...they need the rest of society to give them more ....and watching you lapdogs suck it up is comical.

    See how that works both ways...
     
  3. Rastus

    Rastus ......Deplorable.....

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    Greedy are those who think they deserve more of other people's stuff. Not only is saying I want more of someone else's stuff I didn't earn selfish, but it amounts to stealing gift wrapped in the form of taxes and class envy.
    If you think you're entitled to other people's stuff move to Venezuela they do that there you bunch of lazy freeloading pukes, you.
     
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  4. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    No argument with that!... :6788:
     
  5. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    You miss the point entirely........ You're looking at the issue from only one perspective.... The problem is more complex than that...

    If you think that an "everyone for themselves" society is a utopia..... Then move to Somalia...... About Venezuela, it's a good example of how any type of Government or economic system is going to fail because it gets corrupted...... There are better examples of Nations that have a socialist economic systems.....are they Utopia? No, of course not..... The reason this Country has been able to rise to the level of greatness it once enjoyed is in large part because we've been a combination of socialism and Capitalism... As that changes, whether all to one "side" or the other, you're going to see the system breakdown..... If you look at things objectively, there are good aspects to Socialism and good aspects to Capitalism... They both work better together than separately.... Is that a perfect system?.. Not at all, but any human contrived form of economic systems is going to be open to corrupting influences..... But combining the good of both systems is going to be in the best interests of all economic classes of people, and have the best of success if allowed to maintain that course, at least to the extent possible.. That is, what I believe, set this Country apart from the rest...in a good way.

    Our society has over 320 million people..and just as a matter of course, not everyone is going to have equal opportunities or skills... And yes, the relative few that abuse the system...... (Rich and poor alike) Just because someone needs taxpayer help does not make them "pukes" or "freeloaders"..... Are there some that fit that description?. Yes of course... That's to be expected in a population of 320 million people....
    We can go back and forth about Somalia or Venezuela..or whatever, but a cohesive and viable Nation depends on a society that takes care of one another......and that means using our collective tax dollars for our collective benefit....
     
  6. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Sure you're not talking about Trump?....
     
  7. kboomarang

    kboomarang My allah, between pie and mode

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    Pretty sure he's talking about Bernie, you know the guy that sold himself as a champion of the little guy, the dis-enfranchised, the guy that they could rely on to fight for them against politics as usual......well at least until he ran into politics as usual via the DNC and then he just rolled over and played dead, kept his mouth shut and let them roll over him...some warrior huh, well at least he got a big house out of the deal and oddly enough for a guy who was making a hard run for the White House he still found time to go house hunting, must not have been as serious about the Penn Ave estate as he sold himself to be, you'd have to think thats something not lost on a good many of his followers.
     
  8. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    That's true.. The DNC sabotaged Sanders.... I think he would've won the nomination otherwise....... But he's just part of the system..... You play along ..keep quiet... Like John Kerry and John Edwards did.....

    Again, sounds like Trump.....isn't he the guy that sold himself as a champion of the little guy, the guy you could rely on to fight for them against politics as usual?...

    Why would you think Trump who never cared about anything other than Trump and his millions is suddenly going to be the champion of the "little guy"?.... Just take a look at how he treats his workers or his vendors.... Or how he off shores many of his own jobs that could be done here..... Why would you think he's going to look out for what's in your best interests... ?

    He's like the rest of them.... Tell them what they want to hear... Then do as we please...
    You can say what you want about Clinton or Sanders. ..but the same thing applies to your guys as well......

    I understand the frustration.... But we need to see that, by and large, that they don't care about you or me.... .. I'm not saying the Democrats are going to "save the Country and the "little guy"..... But I can tell you with same certainty that neither will the Republicans..and that includes Trump...
     
  9. Toby

    Toby Well-Known Member

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    Actually Sanders is part of the system. He has been in politics his entire adult career, never working in the private sector or contributing to society in any other way but politics.

    Sure Bernie comes off with a canned message similar to the one promised by millions going back to the early 1900's in Russia. Nothing spoken from that mans mouth has not been heard before throughout history; and history has proven that his message truly only works out good for those at the top, in power and in control. Oh it is wrapped up in a nice shinny bow for the "little guy" and the "worker", but it is those who fall for it hardest who in the end suffer the most.

    It was mentioned about Shummer getting rich doing nothing but be a politician, just look at Bernie. His wife is under investigation for fraud, and he has never really held a private sector job in his entire adult life but they can somehow have a vacation home estimated to cost $600,000 and that is only one of them. Yes a man truly of the common class.

    As for him stoking his base with inflammatory statements just goes to show how radical he actually is at the core.

    But when you have lived your whole life immersed in radical communist rhetoric it should not come as to much of a surprise that for him the ends justify the means at whatever cost.
     
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  10. Toby

    Toby Well-Known Member

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    BERNIE SANDERS LIVED OFF UNEMPLOYMENT, COULDN'T GET A NON-GOVERNMENT JOB
    Bernie Sanders can only exist when being paid by taxpayers.
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2...nemployment-couldnt-get-non-daniel-greenfield


    Bernie Sanders before political office

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    Before he achieved political office, Bernie Sanders never had a steady paycheck in the first four decades of his life. Now, he aspires to the highest office in the land where he could play a decisive role in shaping the circumstances under which the rest of us work and receive (when we can) our paychecks. It is a sobering record, as Investor’s Business Daily explains it:

    His family managed to send him to the University of Chicago. Despite a prestigious degree, however, Sanders failed to earn a living, even as an adult. It took him 40 years to collect his first steady paycheck — and it was a government check.



    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...rs_before_political_office.html#ixzz4l0HDbcnu
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    Here’s how Sanders became America’s six-figure socialist:

    The making of an anti-capitalist: Most politicians on the make head for law school or start trying to work their way into establishment. Sanders? Not so much. After graduating from the University of Chicago in 1964, it seemed as if he was intentionally trying not to make money.

    He volunteered on a kibbutz in Israel in the 1960s, spent a lot of time at protests and in activist movements, worked in New York and wound up in Vermont, where he worked as a carpenter, a writer, and ran for various offices as a third-party candidate. For a period, he ran the American People’s Historical Society, a non-profit that made films about forgotten American heroes like Socialist leader Eugene Debs.

    Steady employment begins after the age of 39: In 1981, when Sanders won an election for the Mayor of Burlington, Vermont, the 39-year-old went on the public payroll — earning about $33,700 per year, according to Politico. And he hasn’t left since. After serving eight years as Mayor, he successfully ran for Vermont’s lone seat in the House of Representatives in 1990 (his salary bumped up to about $96,000)."

    https://www.google.com/amp/amp.time...bernie-sanders-socialist-finances/?source=dam

    Hmm, speaking of worshipping the rich. So he is not exactly in the top 1%, but for a self described socialist(actually communist) being in the top 3% while never holding down a long term private sector job where actual wealth is created shows how big of a hypocrite he actually is!

    But keep banging that drum and stoking unrest!

     
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  11. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    People like Bernme are what is wrong with our politicians. They've spent their entire adult life living off the American tax payers, yet claim that they are "one of us", having never punched a time clock. Look at Obama and the rest of the elitists in Washington, they have no clue what it's like to be one of us.
    I'm hoping that the election of Trump is the new trend, where the American people start voting for people that actually have punched a time clock and know what it's like to have dirt under their fingernails.
     
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  12. Rastus

    Rastus ......Deplorable.....

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    All the civil unrest in America since 2009 you would have thought we had a radical community organizer as president or something.
     
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  13. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    I bet Barry sucked as bad at organizing a community as he did running a country. Community organizer was just a fake front that he used so he didn't have to admit that he was a lazy bitch that hadn't worked a day in his life.
     
  14. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    I've read that he was great at 'Community Organizing'. Communists normally are. Studied Marxism and Cloward and Piven Strategy at Columbia U. Taught by Frances Fox Piven.

    Learned well how to get Useful Idiots do "Workers of the World, Unite!" Didnt tell them Lenin had his Useful Idiots shot afterward, or that Trotsky was hunted down and axed to death in Mexico. Wait; Trotsky, Mexico? Maybe that's just a story, and he actually became a lecturing professor???
     
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  15. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    Stalin had Trotsky hunted down and killed 11 years after he was expelled from the Soviet Union
    talk about holding a grudge
     
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  16. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you on the point of career politicians.... However, Donald J Trump grew up in a wealthy family and was handed 400 million dollars as an inheritance.... He's spent a lot of time and money on politicians .... He is just as far away from being " one of us" as any politician, probably even farther... And you can be assured that Donald J Trump has never "punched a time clock" .... He isn't one of us either, and doesn't care about you anymore than any other career politician.... The only difference is that Trump was able to fool you.....

    You seriously believe that Trump "punched a time clock" and worked at jobs like you and I and the rest of us do, or did?...
    Trump grew up in a wealthy family and was given 400 million dollars.....

    "Dirt under his fingernails"... You're joking right..?...
    If you hope that American people start " voting" for self absorbed multimillionaires who are looking out for only other uber wealthy people and Corporations, ( just like all the career politicians) then you have been deceived, totally and completely...
     
  17. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    There are " useful idiots" in all political parties that are more than willing to regurgitate whatever political philosophy they've "bought into"... It's just that one useful idiot only sees the other.... They never see themselves being the same useful idiot, blindly loyal to their "guy" or party... That is what makes you and people that think like you, just as much a useful idiot....

    Indeed.... A "lecturing professor", a level you could never aspire to... Thanks for the compliment though......
     
  18. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Yes.... That was one of my points in my post... We both agree on that...

    Once again, I agree that the " worker " i.e. the average American citizen, does suffer the most at the hands of those in power at the top....no question about that...

    Sanders message to his supporters is what they wanted to hear...and hoped to convince others to accept it as well.... In the same vein, Trump also had a message that his supporters wanted to hear.....

    In today's completely corrupted political system, it really doesn't matter what any of them tell us because those with the wealth that give them money have the power to control the system to their advantage, by and large.
    Truthfully, there isn't anything that any of them say that hasn't been said before... and why would it.... It keeps them all in power because everyone believes in whatever message that their color coded politician tells them.......and you're correct, they have it "wrapped up in a nice shinny bow for the "little guy" and the "worker".....and that would be you an I.....
    Americans need to get over the useless political bickering that only divides us deeper and realize that we are all being " played " by the Oligarchs that pull the strings of their color coded puppet politicians..... Sadly, I don't see that happening at this stage......
     
  19. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    his father placed a million into a trust fund for Donny and his 4 siblings and 3 grandchildren
    Donny also borrowed $14,000,000 from dad
    which is a far cry from $400,000,000
    still a nice head start at least he didn't piss away the money like a lot of others
     
  20. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Whichever numbers are correct, you're trying to gloss over the fact that his father paved the way for his success... and that his father bailed him out when he got into trouble......which still makes my point that Trump never had to "punch a time clock" and that he is NOT "one of us".... As was stated by the poster than I was responding to...

    I will agree to a point, that he didn't " piss" it away.... But he had to be bailed out by borrowing from his future inheritance....
     

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