Congratulations to our President Trump, Paul Ryan and Congress for overturning ObamaCare

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  1. AzPilot

    AzPilot Well-Known Member

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    That depends on

    I suppose you are a Constitutional Scholar...........even the Founding fathers/signors of the constitution had differing interpretations on how the General Welfare Clause is defined.

    You are free to interpret it any way you like, it doesn't mean you are right and the Supreme Court ruled basically in a broad definition of the welfare clause.
     
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  2. johndeere4020

    johndeere4020 Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't make healthcare a right.
     
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  3. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Trump would have signed anything the Congress may have passed in my opinion.
    That thing he said about protecting those least able to afford health car was just campaign stuff.
    There was also a tax relief portion in their for rich folks
     
  4. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    What you describe is the USA.
    Which is the main reason people in many European country's enjoy their lives more.

    Why would we not want this one time to live to be more enjoyable?:idunno:
    I guess some of you believe your to be rewarded after this life.
    But I say why not have it now
     
  5. johndeere4020

    johndeere4020 Well-Known Member

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    You say Europeans enjoy their lives more because that's what you've heard. My life would be more enjoyable if government got out of my life. But Jimmy is right, it's about responsibility which you can't understand.
     
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  6. Softballs

    Softballs Banned

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    Obamascare is a scam Magoon. Wake up!
    Obama says every American has to have insurance . He lies and says every American has to have insurance or pay a penalty. Everybody’s rates double. Then Obama has a meeting with all the insurance execs, says I got a scam for us to make millions. In turn, Obama takes 411 million dollars and outs it in offshore accounts under Barry Soetoro LLC. Now every Democrat and RINO wants to keep it, because they all benefited alot over it. Why would you support someone passing laws for you to pay double? If you don't agree to pay doubl6, then you pay a penalty. That's just stupid. Nevermind, it's Magoo
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    And ofcourse Magoo will go to another post and say the same thing all over again
     
  7. SuperCourse

    SuperCourse WHO IS JOHN GALT?

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    The "pursuit of happiness" is a right. Try pursuing it sometime instead of waiting for someone to dump it in your lap.
     
  8. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    AzPilot Well-Known Member

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  10. ABFer

    ABFer Super Moderator Staff Member

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    People are being misled by both parties. 'Affordable' and 'quality' healthcare are oxymorons, you will never have both available to you and a couple of simple math calculations will demonstrate that for you. 1) Medivac rides cost $20,000 and up and somebody has to pay for them. If any of you had any idea what the total cost of these is your jaws would drop. And no, I do not know the total cost of this luxury. 2) An exorbitant amount of money is spent on us to keep us 'alive' for one last year or two, the cost of this alone spread out over our lifetimes is mind boggling. 3) The high cost of malpractice insurance is one more expense that drives the high cost of healthcare. I do not know how the rest of the world handles malpractice but I doubt that our doctors are any less competent than those from the rest of the modern world and this needs to be addressed.
     
  11. johndeere4020

    johndeere4020 Well-Known Member

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  12. Softballs

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    Hahaha, healthcare is a human right. Listen to what your saying.
    Obama says every American has to have insurance . He lies and says every American has to have insurance or pay a penalty. Everybody’s rates double. Then Obama has a meeting with all the insurance execs, says I got a scam for us to make millions. In turn, Obama takes 411 million dollars and outs it in offshore accounts under Barry Soetoro LLC. Now every Democrat and RINO wants to keep it, because they all benefited alot over it. Why would you support someone passing laws for you to pay double? If you don't agree to pay double, then you pay a penalty. Yep it's a right to make some Democrat rich.
     
  13. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    Rights are something that are usually won politically. Otherwise it is the law of the jungle which rules. Dog eat dog..kill or be killed.
     
  14. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    If we let you do as you please and not pay any tax's, not pay SS & Medicare when you were done with your working years we would have to help you to survive. So no you can't do as you please.
     
  15. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Does anyone remember the good old days when costs didn't go up on everything almost every year?
    Gosh just thinking about it makes me nostalgic.
     
  16. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    One thing they have going for them in Europe is that it doesn't cost them to go to college, and medical school.
    I believe they also are giving a stipend to live on while studying.
    That makes a huge difference right there not finishing school owing hundreds of thousands of dollars.
    In a show I seen in England Doctors can work at a Government owned hospital and or medical facility, they don't need to buy malpractice.
    I suppose if you decide to go out into private practice you may need to buy it.

    I have a Dr in the family and he works very long hours in his own practice. The doctors I go to also seem to work long hours.
    I would think that after busting ass for so many years in school they would have a cushy job, but no.
     
  17. ABFer

    ABFer Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I am not 100% opposed to 'free' college but I'd like to see how it's cost effective. And edging our way into gubment owned hospitals sounds like a good idea to me. Not a sudden change, a gradual one. Like give me the option of using them with a controlled price. Those opposed can go their own way with higher prices.
     
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    How the heck is that different than it is now? I can take care of myself how about you?
     
  19. jimmy g

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    In Secular-Humanist Socialism, yes. In the Constitutional Republic of our USA, no.

    Our nation was founded on Rights of Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness to individuals from our Creator.

    Secularists believe man is oppressed by the powerful and demand government reign (overlooking that government is a group of powerful oppressers).

    The Fabian Society spread Socialist Principles through out Europe. Marx and Engels preached the overthrow of 'Oppressers'. Von Bismarck governed Europe that way, and his friends the two Roosevelts brought it here. Woodrow Wilson pushed the amendments that essentially changed us from a personally responsible state of Liberty, to a Government is god Entitlement State run system.

    An Op-ed on Aristotle's study of governments warned us:

    On the other hand, the easiest thing for a demagogue to do in a democracy is to sweep up the populace with rhetoric about what people are owed in life simply because they are equally born. For the demagogue, the easiest targets are those individuals who have achieved a higher and wealthier position in society through their own efforts. But the mature statesman must recognize this and refrain from igniting democratic energy with rhetoric about redistributing wealth:


    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/aristotles_warning.html#ixzz4cXJKACvO
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  20. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    I'm sure in all those nations with socialized health care you have a choice to go to private if you choose to pay for it.
    Like here most stuff at the Plastic Surgeons office isn't covered by insurance, you have to pay to look better.

    And free college means a population better able to create the new jobs for the rest of us.
    We have to use our brain to compete with cheap labor
     
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