That's all good if you wouldn't try and change what was being discussed to fit your own flavor, it was pretty simple, he said with his pension and his 401k he would be drawing more that a teamster pension, I said basically then throw my 401k in the mix and then that changes that!! Then you come along with IRA's and that was not what was it was about!! I've got a boat load of real estate, should I throw that in as retirement?? If so I'm sure I would triple him in revenue! But we weren't talking about anything except pension and 401k period. Enough said, take it and run with it. I really don't care at this point because I can tell from past experiences that with you there is no resolve!!
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OK, you are in left field and have proved nothing, your 401K point was as relevant/irrelevant as my IRA point. I stick by my point that you are incapable of intelligent debate.
Its hard to debate with a brick, if your right your right if your wrong your right!! How you like my skills now!! I'm done ... Take your ball and go home I am!!! Lol:)
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You've not debated at all, just bellyached.
Exactly, my sentiments! I couldn't have said it no better myself! How can you debate if you just keep throwing more and more to it! It was to simple for you so you had to try and complicate it as to fit your needs!!
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I'm ready, ok here we go. A private pension in most cases would be less than a union pension, but then you throw in a company matched 401K (which most non union employers match) it would be in most cases more than the union pension. Is that true? Because that was the original assertion.
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Yes, you would be correct!
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Fed Ex better give us a benefit package to be proud of or it will be back and next time it will go bet that.
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It was a lock this time in WV, or at least that's what you said!!
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The teamsters can't make FedEx do anything, especially with only 3 terminals on board. No leverage. We might gain something on the pension, but what would be traded away in order to do so. Negotiations are always a two way street and right now FedEx has the stronger position. By the way the pro guys at CLT are really reaching by telling people there will be a contract by April. I wonder if they mean April 2020.
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Maybe you could send some of your extra cash to the Central States Pension fund to help your "brothers" out.
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I was thinking more like 2050!!
You guys need to get off the crack pipe, your using one fund out of several!!
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You're not the first big money company the IBT ever organized.
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Our retirement is based off of our pension (100% contribution by the company) and our 401K (which our company matches a portion of our contribution). Both together are equal or greater than your union pension alone.
Yes, union company's also offer a 401K but there's no company match, therefor not every employee contributes to this fund...many rely only on their pension.
This is why we compare our retirement (both plans) to your single pension.
You personally may contribute to both of your plans (good for you) but I'd guess and say most of your co-workers throughout your company do not.
Key word being most, but I would say most of your guys probably don't put a lot into it? One never knows about another mans bank!! Only speculation? Finally a man who gets what I was saying without bringing all the other several ways to save into the equation.. We may never agree... But thank you for seeing it for what it was....
Personally I prefer property over 401k's , I control my investment and can protect my bottom line as far as taxes are concerned, a hand shake and cash transactions I'll take any day!!!
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According to national percentages only 40.4 % of the working people participate in their company's 401
then again only 50.1 % of the company's even offer one.
With that look around youngsters at your fellow workers and wonder ?
What will they do if they live long enough to retire or their health forces retirement ?
Just a guess but the word WELFARE comes to mind. Which translates into WE are funding it.........
If you think FXF isn't scared of the Teamsters then something's wrong with you. I've said this before, if it's not going to be better for the drivers then why is FXF fighting this. Again, before someone says it's give and take and you wont get anything, why is FXF fighting this. They could have saved a lot of money by just letting the Teamsters in. I don't understand why the drivers can't see this.
Another nut falls out of the sack with yet another twist, nothing about there pension is gonna help squat! Basically what this boils down to are numbers there JOE???is strength in numbers! With the strength we can all negotiate a better deal, Your argument doesn't even make sense!!! Where do you come up with these asinine remarks you make!!
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