Days off W/O pay?

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  1. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    There is a provision in our supplement that says if you are out of sick days, and you have a " bona fide" emergency........ say your hot water tank malfunctions.... you may take a day off, and if work is available on Saturday, you may make up your lost day.

    Kind of open-ended, but how "bona fide" your emergency is would be up to you, subject to whether the TM thinks you're abusing the language.
     
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  2. vongrimmenstein

    vongrimmenstein Well-Known Member

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    Kind of makes sense. Always some kind of work on Saturday. If the TM is willing to work with the men it would be to his & ABF's advantage to let him make up the lost day, Especially without an Article 46 or verbal paperwork. von.
     
  3. Trucker 206

    Trucker 206 Well-Known Member

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    So where does it stand at your terminal, canary? We currently have a new-hire (less than a year on board) who's taken several 'no pay' days off. As of January 1st, he received his 5 sick days, and on April 1st the two personal days, but hasn't used any for those days off. Several years ago when I was hired, I asked the question about unpaid days off and was told it couldn't be done if I had sick days or personal days to use. Do I have a legitimate grievance if I schedule one and get told 'no'?
     
  4. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    Yes you do, Brother. The contract must be applied unilaterally and without prejudice, regardless of your seniority.

    A "benefit " granted by the company to one, MUST be available to all. You all pay the same amount of Union dues, proportionally, for the same amount of representation. And,.... seniority is not rank. If the shoe was on the other foot ,so to speak, and senior men were taking unpaid time off, don't you think that a junior man would eventually file Labor charges for non-representation if the Union backed up the company and denied him the right to unpaid time off?
     
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  5. ABFer

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    Absolutely and it would be interesting to see what the 'union' has to say about it. Anytime I bring up something like this I get told that I'm wrong for thinking that someone else should be denied a benefit because I can't get it.

    At the same time that you file the grievance you should file an unfair labor practice with the NLRB. They'll call you in to whatever their 'local' office is out there and take a report. Then they'll tell you that you have to run through the grievance procedure before they'll hear the case. However, I do believe that the union only has 30 days to address the matter and we all know that that won't be done.
     
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  6. Trucker 206

    Trucker 206 Well-Known Member

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    All good points, canary. What I failed to take into account is that these 'no pay' days might be part of an FMLA thing for him. I, personally, would feel uncomfortable asking him if that were the case, as it's not my place to ask such a question.
     
  7. vongrimmenstein

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    But, if the member has filed a unfair labor practice with the NLRB, doesn't that put more pressure on the union to hear the grievance in a timely manner? If he files with the Local & the NLRB @ the same time doesn't that put pressure on the union to a hold more fair hearing or maybe the outcome versus not filing with the NLRB might be different? von.
     
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  8. ABFer

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    Then file and let the company do some 'splainin'.
     
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  9. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    10-4, Brother,.......But even if it's an FMLA thing,....then it should be questioned and verified,.....if for nothing else, as a teaching moment for all the other employees. Someone else may see a use for FMLA leave that he was not aware of before you raised the inquiry.

    And, of course, there is no need to get into a HIPPA Act violation merely to confirm an employees' use of FMLA time.......
     
  10. Trucker 206

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    Interesting though...I remember an injury I had about three years ago. I had to apply for FMLA only AFTER I'd used up my sick days first according to our HR person.
     
  11. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    I think that's right..... technically that's what sick days are for.
    But,..... if you read it carefully, only UNSCHEDULED vacation days/weeks can be used before FMLA. If it's scheduled , it can't be used.
     
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  12. ABFer

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    No, that is not right but FMLA language states that the company can make you use personal time off (PTO) as part of your FMLA time. I do not know what it says about scheduled vs non scheduled time though. Furthermore, I do believe that you need to apply for FMLA time before you even go off, not start it after you've been out.
     
  13. Trucker 206

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    True, ABFer. Having FMLA in place before you need it is recommended. If VACATION days AND personal days are pre-scheduled, then they can't ding you one of those days. Using sick leave is optional, providing you have notified HR that you're using an FMLA day instead of a sick day.
     
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  14. vongrimmenstein

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    You are dead on. Scheduled can not be used. Anybody say different they have no idea what they are talking about. I know it for a fact. I lived it @ 050.
     
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  15. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    Yes, we had a couple of guys on FMLA and we went round and round with management on their........ interpretation........

    They can not force you to use scheduled vacation in lieu of, or before, FMLA.
     
  16. vongrimmenstein

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    Show them a 300 dollar plumber bill. Cost you more to get your pipes fixed than a doctor visit. von.
     
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  17. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    When you show him that bill, tell him you really, really need that Saturday work,.........because ABF doesn’t pay you as well as the plumber you had to call to fix your pipes.........
     
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    There was a girl at the truckstop that would fix your pipes for $20.00.
     
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    No matter how clogged they are.
     
  20. vongrimmenstein

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    Ya got that right. von.
     
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