Deadly shooting at Texas Church

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Keepingon, Nov 5, 2017.

  1. Keepingon

    Keepingon Well-Known Member

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    This day and age and the greatest country in the world Damn shame that we have to have a conversation about our preferred method or weapon to protect our homes and families.

    Regardless of anyone’s preference on gun laws I hope none of us ever need to use them.
     
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  2. Bart

    Bart Well-Known Member

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    Below is a current detailed audit of the failure of the government to prosecute violations of the law involving firearms. The government admits in this audit the failure to prosecute unless aggravated circumstances are present! Using these guidelines has resulted in what could be viewed total incompetence!!!!!

    https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2016/a1632.pdf
    PROSECUTIONS RELATED TO NICS DENIALS

    Each USAO has substantial discretion in deciding whether to prosecute criminal cases and usually requires that a potential NICS denial case involve aggravating circumstances. The USAOs accepted for consideration of prosecution cases involving 254 of the total 558 subjects referred by ATF resulting from NICS checks during the 8-year period from FY 2008 through FY 2015. We found that while the overall number of NICS denial prosecutions is extremely low, the number has dropped significantly since FY 2003, and that there was no significant change in the number of NICS cases pursued for prosecution the President’s January 2013 plan to reduce gun violence.

    We interviewed USAO officials regarding how they review cases referred by ATF field divisions for possible prosecution. We spoke with AUSAs in the Northern District of Georgia, Western District of Kentucky, Eastern District of Louisiana, and Northern District of Texas, which are located in the same cities as ATF field division offices we reviewed. We found that the AUSAs consult their district’s prosecutorial guidelines for NICS cases to determine whether to bring charges. We also found that these guidelines are slightly different from the guidelines the ATF’s DENI Branch uses to refer cases to ATF field division offices. ATF Order 3140.1 discussed previously demonstrates that that ATF is working to ensure its guidelines for referring cases to the field divisions reflect each judicial district’s prosecutorial guidelines, which will help ensure that ATF refers cases that conform to those guidelines. AUSAs in all four districts told us that ATF agents typically discuss potential referrals with them by telephone and try to obtain USAO acceptance before ATF formally refers a case.

    In addition, AUSAs in three of the four districts that we visited explained that there must be aggravating circumstances for their offices to accept a case for prosecution. The AUSAs we interviewed explained that case files are reviewed on a case-by-case basis and that they will typically only bring charges for a NICS violation if the firearm is linked to a violent crime or the subject is considered a significant threat.

    The number of NICS prosecutions has dropped substantially since FY 2003, when 166 subjects were accepted for consideration of prosecution. Between
    FY 2008 and FY 2015, an 8-year period, ATF formally referred 509 NICS denial cases that included 558 subjects to USAOs for possible prosecution. The USAOs accepted for consideration of prosecution 254 subjects (or less than 32 subjects per year) and declined to prosecute 272 subjects. At the time of our review, decisions were pending for 32 subjects.47 We reviewed case information for 266 of 404 cases that were referred to the USAOs through FY 2013. ATF reported the date it referred the cases to the USAO, the date the USAO accepted or declined
     
  3. Bart

    Bart Well-Known Member

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  4. Bart

    Bart Well-Known Member

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    But enforcement of laws does!
     
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  5. Rastus

    Rastus ......Deplorable.....

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    I assume I never will
     
  6. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    Vegas yes

    This guy no
    this guy should have been on every list in the country saying no way
    an equivilant felony in the Air Force, time in a mental institution, etc.........
    the system which you are counting on to filter people out failed
    This POS was content on killing people he could have easily driven his truck right through the church and done as much damage

    My point is people content on doing evil will do evil
    the only thing politicizing this and passing new laws will do is prevent those that follow the law from exercising their rights

    you cant bubble wrap the world, and there is evil out there
     
  7. Bart

    Bart Well-Known Member

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    In 2010, prosecutors considered just 22 cases of information falsification, according to a 2012 report to the Department of Justice by the Regional Justice Information Service. Forty additional background-check cases ended up before prosecutors for reasons related to unlawful gun possession.

    In all, prosecutors pursued just 44 of those 62 cases. More than 72,600 applications were denied on the basis of a background check.

    “We think it is problematic when the administration takes lightly the prosecutions under existing gun laws and yet does not seem to have a problem promoting a whole host of other gun laws,” Baker told TheDC.
    http://amp.dailycaller.com/2013/01/...rosecute-people-who-lie-on-background-checks/
     
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  8. Rastus

    Rastus ......Deplorable.....

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    This murderer did a year for domestic violence beat his wife, broke her child's skull, threatened to kill his superiors, tried to sneak weapons onto base, escaped from a mental hospital and yet still passed a background check.

    Can this government do anything right?

    Now law abiding citizens are supposed to give up their rights because of criminals, lunatics and an incompetent government.

    Screw you.
     
  9. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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  10. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Heck just the sound alone will clear the area
     
  11. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    One revolver would do just as well.
    Unless your in the criminal underworld who would possible be after you?
    The regular crack or meth addicts just look for easy money not getting shot.
    Why is this simple concept so hard to understand?:idunno:
     
  12. Bart

    Bart Well-Known Member

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    Exactly the 2nd amendment is about the right to own those "military style weapons" I don't understand why people keep bringing up hunting rifles and revolvers! This issue has been clearly explained in multiple court cases including ones at the SCOTUS!!!!!

    But hey you have to keep things riled up to get that Troll pay‼️
     
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  13. Rastus

    Rastus ......Deplorable.....

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    Taking guns away from law abiding citizens is the same as taking Islam away from law abiding Muslims because some of their people blow stuff up.
     
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  14. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    Post of the Day
     
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    I have heard blame given for the shooting for everybody but the shooter. Now some dingbats are saying the Air Force is to blame for teaching people how to use "Assault Weapons". Well, yes the Air Force like all branches of the military do indeed teach how to use rifles & how to kill. One caller to a local radio station talk show the military should teach how to love people instead of teaching how to kill them. That sounds familiar to Hollywood celebrities saying we should learn to love & understand those who don't like the U.S. I assume that was in reference to radical Islam's hatred for the U.S.
     
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  16. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    It's obvious that the Democratic party has no problem with the corruption within their party, as long as it betters their chances of keeping power.
    That party has zero integrity.
     
  17. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    The Air Force dropped the ball, no doubt it.
    The shooter had more guns and ammo, and was not done killing by no means. Luckily the neighbors jumped into action.
    And you are wrong on the neighbor's weapon, he had an AR that he used to shoot the POS with. At least that's the report that I heard.
     
  18. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Time to stop wasting time with empty cures. Evil exists and legislation won't cure it.
     
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    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    They don't want credible sources, that would take away their role as being another useful idiot for the Democratic party.
     
  20. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    You are so ill-informed that you are making a fool of yourself. The POS still had guns on him and lots of ammo, so there is no telling what the rest of his sinister plan was. You don't know, and neither do the rest of us. So if the POS had more plans and more churches to go to, Trump was spot on.
    You guys are so busy looking for the next "gotcha" on Trump that you end up looking like a fool.
     

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